The Elegance Coral Project

Eric,

Have you heard of any treatment that has helped? The Steve's have an absolutely gorgeous one right now & I'd love to try and rescue it although as I told you before, every one I have obtained there in the past several years has succumbed.
 
Not yet - just looked at the slides briefly for the first time today - lots of unusual things, and this is a weird coral histologically - really thick mesoderm and some cells in there - some habe lots of funagal filaments attached to tissue and in the space where the skeleton would be. Some are so degraded its hard to tell much. Some have a lot of zoox with picnotic nuclei, there are some with a sub ectodermal layer of cells, some with a lot of acidophilic granules, some with a lot of basophilic bodies - interestingly, many had developed ovaries and testes (testament to the fact that our corals "could" spawn and we are not doing something to get them to release. I have to talk these over with the experts and take a lot of photos, too.

Thing is, nothing strikes me consistently through the samples as I thought it might - at least with H&E and AB/PAS staining although coould be due to various tissue conditions as some were severely degraded and some just starting to show signs and mostly intact. I will do a gram stain on the unstained slides next to see if there are any unusual bacterial components or aggregations. Then, will confer with the experts again.

If I had to try experimenting with treatments, I would try some sort of medicated food. The zoox density is quite low, and the length of the threads on some of the spirocysts and nematocyst batteries are outrageous. And, medicated food would become a systemic treatment. However, I don't know what you would use...maybe try nauplii or a dry food laced with some antibiotics and/or antifungals. I am not seeing anything obvious that is really large - like intracellular protozoans...at least not yet, or not in all slides at numbers that would indicate this is the problem. Cellular architecture is spectacular - the calicoblastic epithelium is, or does, almost appear to be two cell layers thick in places...have to confer with Kathy on this as this would be unprecedented.
 
Oh, Carl - you might want to get the one for The Steves and then put it in a tank that has no other elegance - and if possible has never had elegance in it. Then, tell me or shoot a photo of it - I can get a rough idea of light needs/area of collection by the appearance/morphology. Leave for Belize on friday, so act quick
 
Eric,

About the only tank I have that has NEVER had an elegance in it is a my daughter's 12 gallon nano that I just set up for her this week. The elegance would fit in it nicely because it is not too large. The reason this elegance is so gorgeous is because of the outrageous amount to purple on it. I suspect, therefore, that it came from pretty deep water.

BTW, her tank has one 24 watt PL 50/50 and is filled with NSW. There is no skimmer, just water circulation. Calcium & buffer are added daily as liquid aragonite.
 
One more thought. The elegance in question has been at the store in a tank that has housed hundreds of other elegance corals. They have had it in that tank for a little over a week now. It was open nicely for the first day or two then less so. Now it is starting to get the "Short-tentacle & swollen mouth look" though as of this morning it showed no signs of necrosis.

I'll call tomorrow & see if it is still there & alive. If it is, I'll pick it up. I can mix a medicated food. What would you think of metronidazole? Just thinking out loud but I use it to "Flush" both bacteria and internal parasites from fish with good results.

Also, what do you suggest as the transport? Any food that an elegance can't resist or will your or my general blended coral concoction do?
 
eeewwww...if it has signs don't get it unless you want to experiment, and its probably cheaper to experiment on one's you get from your wholesalers. Metradinazole, nitrofurazone, chloramphenicol (there is a water soluble version available if you want some) are all pretty good at knocking out bugs - I'd probably soak some dry cyclopeeze or the like or something that sucks up the solution well and feed that. SHoot, do like I did and use a wet saw and cut it in half or more and do replicate with different meds.

Yes, I would also assume its a deep water specimen
 
btw, its nice having you around in my life again!

For everyone who doesn't know it....CDGreenEyes is my "aquarium father" and without him giving me all the right advice and being the kind of honest and quality storeowner he is/was, I would not be sitting here in this forum answering posts and I would probably never have become a reef aquarist - he had a tank most would drool over today and that was years before Charles and Julian wrote their first volume of the reef aquarium

Give him a hearty hearty welcome and a congratulations on his new book just published from Microcosm.
 
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Fungal infections can act like the elegance disease is and I wonder if the lack of success with antibiotics is that fungus is the answer. I just hope it isn't some sort of coral virus.

Ron
 
Am I right to assume that the problem in this coral only occurs in captivity? If so, has anybody tried to figure out what conditions we lack in captivity?

Joe
 
Eric,

As you know, there are no proprietary sources here. You know how this industry works. I would assume that any specimen we get stateside is contaminated at the wholesaler's facility. That is if it were not already contaminated in the exporters holding tanks in the field. If the corals come through the usual channels, I would just assume they are contaminated.

I suspect if you want uncontaminated specimens, you would have to go into the field and collect them yourself ... If you do that, BTW, I'll take 3 really large ones to break in my new wet saw. LOL.

Thanks for the kind intro BTW. As I have said before, I am impressed and amazed by how far you have come since we first met blub-blub years ago (protecting both of our ages).

sihaya, my book is titled Aquarium Keeping & Rescue. Its a beginner level book on how to properly keep marine aquaria and what to do if they go south on you. It also stresses good habit building through scheduled maintenance and thorough record keeping.
 
Joe:

The condition does apparently start in the wild. At some point in this thread or somewhere (an article on ReefKeeping?) of photos I took at a Jakarta exporter that show one out of hundreds of elegance corals showing the signs of the disease. We saw no unhealthy ones in the field or in the tanks of holding facilties. But, if there is one area where there are sick corals and then hundreds are put in the same tank, and I know this is a contagious condition, then you have as Carl mentioned, exposed every coral in the system. This type of disease spread is very common, and wholesalers and retailers often put them in the same tanks, too. There is the "SPS" tank and the "LPS" tank and the "soft coral" tank....well, if you get a disease, and then put all susceptible species right next to each other in the same small space, you get elegance coral syndrome, "RTN", Xenia melting, soft coral rottings, Brown Jelly on LPS, etc. that we see so commonly in stores, in our own tanks, and you can imagine at the larger scale. Let me post the image again so you can see how corals are typically held.
 
So, these are partial shots of holding tanks - the top left you see the one sick elegance and this tank had hundreds to thousands in it...you can get the scale of the tank from the bottom right, which is the Tubastraea tank (at 90 degree to the left).

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And, to be honest with you all, I have certainly not ruled out a virus. Kathy took samples and will do EM on them. We'll see what happens. Viruses are extremely abundant in seawater and we re only now getting a feel for the potential and what is out there. They are responsible, according to some sources for 40-60% of all mortality of phytoplankton, so they are not all benign little chunks of DNA and RNA floating around.
 
Eric,

When I got to the store today they had already sold the elegance (Clearly to someone who does not follow this thread). Probably just as well.
 
Oooh, viruses suck. :(

Do corals (elegances) have anything in the way of an immune system? Do they have any more than just physical barriers against infections?
 
Just pretty much read from start to finish in one sitting, just registred to the site and am completly amazed at what you are doing. Please let me know when monetary donations are being accepted I will be able to send some money your way. Looks like a ton of progress has been made and much more to come. Best of luck and thank you for all your hard work and determination.
 
Carl, CONGRATULATIONS!! on your new book. I just ordered it from Amazon and look forward to reading it...
Also welcome to ReefCentral, anyone that gets that kind of intro from Eric has to be a real asset to our hobby!
Great to have you on board :wave:
 
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