The Oceans pH Level Is Falling
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sherm71tank
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eckrynock, are you trying to get this thread closed?
mr pink floyd
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true, 206 years is a blink in time, yes it is droppign at a slow rate, but it is still dropping
im sure the creatures will adapt...
its called evolution
im sure the creatures will adapt...
its called evolution
dreaminmel
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I saw a show on Discovery a few years back that actually theorized global warming would create a global freezing. It said a great part of our weather is due to the warm ocean current (conveyor belt if you will) that flows in a continuous "circle" around our planet and that the melting of the ice in the poles would disrupt the salinity of this current therefore causing it to stop and (according to them) voila, no more warm currents means a much colder climate.
Not saying I completely believe this theory, just putting it out there as one of the theorized possibilities.
dreaminmel
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7716672#post7716672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mr pink floyd
true, 206 years is a blink in time, yes it is droppign at a slow rate, but it is still dropping
im sure the creatures will adapt...
its called evolution
Evolution may well occur over MANY years time but it has already been established that animals can and do go extinct so if the time span needed to evolve is not long enough... what then? Just a ?...
Nabber86
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7716552#post7716552 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by physicslord
Serious???
Massive extinction, including complete loss of coral reefs.
Changes in weather patterns, famine, etc....
Massive extinctions?? How do you figure that? The earth has been through many periods of wild temperature fluctuations in the past. In the last million years or so there have been 5 documented periods of global glaciation - Kansan, Nebraskan, Illinoisian, and Wisconsian. The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago and we are due for another one in less than 100,000 years. Probably will be called the Missourian Stage.
In between the glacier stages are the interglacial periods - Sangamon, Yarmouth, Aftonian. During the peak of the last interglacial period, sea levels were about 6 m higher than they are at present. The world has been through this many times before without "massive Extinctions"
Nabber86
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7716552#post7716552 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by physicslord
Massive extinction, including complete loss of coral reefs.
Changes in weather patterns, famine, etc....
Changes in weather patterns? That can be either good or bad. Change is what the earth is all about. Change can cause extinction, but it also causes the deveolpment of new species.
famine? I dont think that anybody can deny that a few less people on the earth is a good thing. From a global perspective that is.
RobbyG
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Even if all you people who say "so what about extinction, it's happened before it will happen again", feel content, for those of you in that little world; just keep in mind that when all this stuff comes to a head, nobody is going to be living life the way they live it now.
Even if you live in a country that is relatively untouched, the people from the touched places are going to be coming for your little slice of the pie. So don't be surprised 20 years from now when the oceans are depleated that the starving masses come knocking on your door. 9/11 should remind us all how world wide problems can suddenly find their way to us.
Even if you live in a country that is relatively untouched, the people from the touched places are going to be coming for your little slice of the pie. So don't be surprised 20 years from now when the oceans are depleated that the starving masses come knocking on your door. 9/11 should remind us all how world wide problems can suddenly find their way to us.
Nabber86
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My kids wont live life the way I do (could be either good or bad). I dont live life the way I used to (definately bad, but not for environmental reasons). I dont live life the way my parents did (thank God). My parents didnt live the life that my grand parents did (even worse).
Change, It's a good thing.
That situation hasnt changed in 6000 years of human history.
dreaminmel
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Personally, I'm sure humanity has made it through other large scale changes in the planet... however, can any one of you state with utter confidence that you would not be scared to death and clueless on how to survive if this ended up happening in our lifetime? And if not in our lifetime, should we expect it all to be hunkey dorey for future generations?
Earlier in this thread I hinted that I think humanity has limited time on this planet. Sure some may survive, but then again maybe not. There are many species that have become extinct on this planet. Just because our brains are "more developed" than those species does not mean all is well. What this all boils down to is this... how concerned are you about your decendants? Are you only concerned about the "here and now" or can you see beyond the horizon?
Just because the pH of the ocean drops does not mean that a crisis is looming BUT we are human because we were born with decision making abilities, problem solving skills, etc... sometimes I think evolution is removing those qualities from our population and we are getting too comfortable with our status on Mother Earth. **this concludes my tangent for the day
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Earlier in this thread I hinted that I think humanity has limited time on this planet. Sure some may survive, but then again maybe not. There are many species that have become extinct on this planet. Just because our brains are "more developed" than those species does not mean all is well. What this all boils down to is this... how concerned are you about your decendants? Are you only concerned about the "here and now" or can you see beyond the horizon?
Just because the pH of the ocean drops does not mean that a crisis is looming BUT we are human because we were born with decision making abilities, problem solving skills, etc... sometimes I think evolution is removing those qualities from our population and we are getting too comfortable with our status on Mother Earth. **this concludes my tangent for the day
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physicslord
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I did not slander you, nor did anyone else that I can tell. I also did not attack you for your religious beliefs either, nor would i ever do that.
I simply questioned your understanding of evolution. It is you who took it personally.
I have noticed this pattern again and again on this thread.
IMO you should be a lot more confident in your own ability to make a logical argument instead of immediately internalizing every little criticism.
Nabber86
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If what happened? Global warming? An asteroid hits the earth? Plauges of locusts? An increased period of volcanic activity? Bird flue epedemic? The Taliban invades Bhumfuq, Kansas? What if I get run over by a beer truck? Sure you can spend your life being scared sh*tless of the unkown. There are plenty of things to be scared about in the world. I just have a problem being scared of something that:
a) happens naturally (although, maybe excelerated by man),
b) we seriously are not going to slow it down, no less stop it, and
c) is dubious whether it will result in making things worse.
HippieSmell
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That's true, but there are a couple differences that I can see. For one, the planet wasn't under as much stress as is it now. If a glacier rolled into the Midwest, where would species such as wolves and bison go? They are on little islands of reserve now, and we sure aren't going to let them live on agricultural land. That would be a big problem right there. The other problem is that we are talking about warming, not cooling. Big difference.
dreaminmel
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Any of the above... what I was getting at is that part of humanity has always been about acquiring knowledge to explain that which we don't understand. Lately, however, it seems that many people (not all) have begun walking around like zombies.
a) So you wouldn't be scared if a bear attacked you among other possible natural scenarios? It is human nature... to deny it is to become numb to life itself. Fear is a natural instinct. Allowing it to well up inside you due to political agendas is not but fearing nature is about as natural as you can get.
b) Right, we're never going to cure cancer so why try...
c) Exactly why ALL angles need to be studied. If we just set it aside as something future generations need to deal with where are they going to get their research info from?
BTW, I think it's been stated earlier in the thread that no one is claiming the sky is falling or to start building bomb shelters and I certainly wasn't insinuating that either... There are many reasons I feel the way I do and that is why I am an individual. If you were a mouse inside a maze filled w/ smoke, which would you prefer to be: the one lazily walking about it's hunt for cheese not caring if it dies from smoke inhalation or the mouse that finds its way out of the maze altogether?
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HippieSmell
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I'm sorry, I just had to laugh. Do you mean being duped as in believing those stellar papers you cited earlier?
HippieSmell
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No, I saw it, but it's no where near what is being predicted.
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