The T5 Q&a Thread - split

HI Mike....

I have the same combination in my Sunpower posted but can you explain what is the advantage to change or invert the dawn/dusk combination or is only viewing purpose ????

Thanks in advance...

The coral plus are partialy full spectrum bulbs so they whiten things up more than other bulbs.

As far as the dawn to dusk coloring some people like just blue plus bulbs others like a touch of red in the spectrum which the purple plus bulbs give you. Then others prefer using Atinics alone or with blue plus bulbs to get an even bluer look. This is a matter of personal color preference.
 
So, after following the advice in this thread for a year, I'm starting to get some cyano and after 3 days lights out, immediately regrowing in a day.

So:
-220 Perfecto tank, 72x24x29
-Current USA 72" 12x 39w fixture (yes, crap I know)

8) ATI blue plus
2) ATI Purple Plus
2) GE 6500K


Ordering all new bulbs this week, since it's been about a 10 months. I've had good growth, but the look is a little blue for me. Would changing out two of the blue+ with purple+ have an adverse effect?

Cyno bacteria loves light in the 620 to 680 nm range. The GE 6,500 produces light in this range as well as the Purple Plus. I would switch to one GE 6,500 instead of two. If you want it brighter then substitute an ATI Aqua Blue Special, for one of the purple plus bulbs. this will decrease the red light even more but still brighten the tank up.

Also check your phosphate levels. High phospates will almost grow cyano bacteria in the dark.
 
The coral plus are partialy full spectrum bulbs so they whiten things up more than other bulbs.

As far as the dawn to dusk coloring some people like just blue plus bulbs others like a touch of red in the spectrum which the purple plus bulbs give you. Then others prefer using Atinics alone or with blue plus bulbs to get an even bluer look. This is a matter of personal color preference.

Thanks for the explanation....
 
Just a small update.

I recently purchased a kz superblue bulb to try out and thus far I'm impressed. It doesn't have enough burn in time yet for me to make an official decision but if it holds color through the burn in stages, I will be switching from the ATI blue plus.

I put the superblue in my second slot and a blue plus in my fifth slot. I let the bulbs warm up while I did other things. When I came back I compared the bulbs and could tell the superblue was a deeper blue than the ATI. Thinking it may just be a placebo effect I got my brother (art major) to see if he noticed a difference. I told him nothing about the bulbs but just wanted to know if he could see a color difference. He said, "yeah, the one in front is more blue and less green." He knows nothing about aquarium lighting but is an art major and knows his colors, lol.

I then sandwiched the superblue between two blue plus so I could really see the difference. The difference isn't huge but enough to notice. Like I mentioned pages ago, I'm finding that the blue plus bulbs have been shifting more green over the years and I don't care for it. The superblue looks identical to a blue plus from 3-4 years ago, to my eyes.

I would say it is peaking around 450nm whereas the blue plus is really closer to 470nm these days.

I will continue to monitor the burn in stage and see if it shifts away from the deeper blue but most people say the superblue is a deeper, richer blue. I'm starting to see that and at only a $4 difference, I'll pay for the better looks. :)
 
Well, I'm done experimenting with bulb combinations for my new ATI 6 bulb dimmable sunpower. I bought 14 different bulbs to mess around with and this is the combination I like the best. Took me 4 days of switching bulbs back and forth (my poor corals). I don't like it too blue as I feel it washes out some color:

Front
Giesmann Actinic +
ATI Blue +
ATI Coral +
GE 6,500K
UV Super Actinic
ATI Blue +
Back

On a side note:
The KZ fiji purple and ATI purple + were just not for me. No matter how I tried one, it always looked to pink to me. I feel the addition of the GE 6,500K made things look more "real" or "true to life" for lack of a better term, not artificial.
 
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Just a small update.

I recently purchased a kz superblue bulb to try out and thus far I'm impressed. It doesn't have enough burn in time yet for me to make an official decision but if it holds color through the burn in stages, I will be switching from the ATI blue plus.

I put the superblue in my second slot and a blue plus in my fifth slot. I let the bulbs warm up while I did other things. When I came back I compared the bulbs and could tell the superblue was a deeper blue than the ATI. Thinking it may just be a placebo effect I got my brother (art major) to see if he noticed a difference. I told him nothing about the bulbs but just wanted to know if he could see a color difference. He said, "yeah, the one in front is more blue and less green." He knows nothing about aquarium lighting but is an art major and knows his colors, lol.

I then sandwiched the superblue between two blue plus so I could really see the difference. The difference isn't huge but enough to notice. Like I mentioned pages ago, I'm finding that the blue plus bulbs have been shifting more green over the years and I don't care for it. The superblue looks identical to a blue plus from 3-4 years ago, to my eyes.

I would say it is peaking around 450nm whereas the blue plus is really closer to 470nm these days.

I will continue to monitor the burn in stage and see if it shifts away from the deeper blue but most people say the superblue is a deeper, richer blue. I'm starting to see that and at only a $4 difference, I'll pay for the better looks. :)


Ryan....THANK YOU very much for this observation.

It is funny you are posting this, as I was considering switching all my bulbs over to KZ from ATI bulbs. I am not happy with the Coral+ and the Fiji Purple has always been better then the Purple+ IMHO. I know this may be an anecdotal opinion, but I just have seen many more nicer tanks using KZ bulbs then I have seen ATI bulbs.

With my 10 x 80w ATI PM I am considering (6) KZ Super Blues, (4) New Gens, (1) Fiji Purple and (1) Actinic.

Currently I am running (6) Blue+, (2) Coral+ and (2) Purple+ and my colors are just not want I want them to be. I have a 100% sps tank and I want my colors to pop, especially the red milli's and blue acros.

FWIW
 
Just a small update.

I recently purchased a kz superblue bulb to try out and thus far I'm impressed. It doesn't have enough burn in time yet for me to make an official decision but if it holds color through the burn in stages, I will be switching from the ATI blue plus.

I put the superblue in my second slot and a blue plus in my fifth slot. I let the bulbs warm up while I did other things. When I came back I compared the bulbs and could tell the superblue was a deeper blue than the ATI. Thinking it may just be a placebo effect I got my brother (art major) to see if he noticed a difference. I told him nothing about the bulbs but just wanted to know if he could see a color difference. He said, "yeah, the one in front is more blue and less green." He knows nothing about aquarium lighting but is an art major and knows his colors, lol.

I then sandwiched the superblue between two blue plus so I could really see the difference. The difference isn't huge but enough to notice. Like I mentioned pages ago, I'm finding that the blue plus bulbs have been shifting more green over the years and I don't care for it. The superblue looks identical to a blue plus from 3-4 years ago, to my eyes.

I would say it is peaking around 450nm whereas the blue plus is really closer to 470nm these days.

I will continue to monitor the burn in stage and see if it shifts away from the deeper blue but most people say the superblue is a deeper, richer blue. I'm starting to see that and at only a $4 difference, I'll pay for the better looks. :)


Have you tested to see if there is a difference in PAR?
 
Just a small update.

I recently purchased a kz superblue bulb to try out and thus far I'm impressed. It doesn't have enough burn in time yet for me to make an official decision but if it holds color through the burn in stages, I will be switching from the ATI blue plus.

I put the superblue in my second slot and a blue plus in my fifth slot. I let the bulbs warm up while I did other things. When I came back I compared the bulbs and could tell the superblue was a deeper blue than the ATI. Thinking it may just be a placebo effect I got my brother (art major) to see if he noticed a difference. I told him nothing about the bulbs but just wanted to know if he could see a color difference. He said, "yeah, the one in front is more blue and less green." He knows nothing about aquarium lighting but is an art major and knows his colors, lol.

I then sandwiched the superblue between two blue plus so I could really see the difference. The difference isn't huge but enough to notice. Like I mentioned pages ago, I'm finding that the blue plus bulbs have been shifting more green over the years and I don't care for it. The superblue looks identical to a blue plus from 3-4 years ago, to my eyes.

I would say it is peaking around 450nm whereas the blue plus is really closer to 470nm these days.

I will continue to monitor the burn in stage and see if it shifts away from the deeper blue but most people say the superblue is a deeper, richer blue. I'm starting to see that and at only a $4 difference, I'll pay for the better looks. :)

A while back I mentiond here that the ATI blue plus I had just bought seemed "greener" than some of older ones. Your note here backs up the fact that I might not have been seeing things. But color is a funny thing. Put to light bulbs togeter one at 454 nm and another at 470 nm and the difference is obvious. But if you put a red bulb between them you will be be able to tell the two apart by color but you will say the 454 is dimmer than the 460 one.

Now the question remains is the ZK bulb producing less light above 470nm or is it producing more light below 460 nm? Or could it even be a combination of both?
 
Ryan are you comparing a new blue plus vs super blue or is the blue plus old?
You say you just purchased it, what's that mean? You really can't compare a new bulb to an old bulb, especially if its a blue bulb.

Anyway, I may have to look around more as I haven't checked prices in awhile but they used to be more than $4 more @ reefgeek. Update, yes it seems the KZ super blue is the cheapest KZ bulb at only $4 more @ reefgeek. The other bulbs cost more, like the Fiji purple costs $8 more than ATI purple plus. (24")
I'm have been running the Fiji purple for awhile. Is it really worth $8 more ? Hmmm.
I think the super blue has more actinic lighting & less PAR than the blue plus. The GIESSEMAN actinic plus & KZ super blue are probably closer bulbs than comparing it to a blue plus, you know what I mean...obviously you can compare whatever bulbs you want.
 
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Whats your guys thoughts on:
4 blue plus 2 purple plus or 4 blue plus 2 coral plus
please explain the differences too me. I want my tank bluer.
 
Whats your guys thoughts on:
4 blue plus 2 purple plus or 4 blue plus 2 coral plus
please explain the differences too me. I want my tank bluer.

Than use the coral plus, its a bluer bulb. Not as much red spectrum but brighter looking (to the eye) like the purple bulb.
 
Ryan....THANK YOU very much for this observation.

It is funny you are posting this, as I was considering switching all my bulbs over to KZ from ATI bulbs. I am not happy with the Coral+ and the Fiji Purple has always been better then the Purple+ IMHO. I know this may be an anecdotal opinion, but I just have seen many more nicer tanks using KZ bulbs then I have seen ATI bulbs.

With my 10 x 80w ATI PM I am considering (6) KZ Super Blues, (4) New Gens, (1) Fiji Purple and (1) Actinic.

Currently I am running (6) Blue+, (2) Coral+ and (2) Purple+ and my colors are just not want I want them to be. I have a 100% sps tank and I want my colors to pop, especially the red milli's and blue acros.

FWIW

I personally like the purple and coral plus bulbs. I know the coral plus has more
red than the new gen so it is slightly warmer.




Have you tested to see if there is a difference in PAR?

No. If there is any it will be minimal. I already have too much PAR as is.




A while back I mentiond here that the ATI blue plus I had just bought seemed "greener" than some of older ones. Your note here backs up the fact that I might not have been seeing things. But color is a funny thing. Put to light bulbs togeter one at 454 nm and another at 470 nm and the difference is obvious. But if you put a red bulb between them you will be be able to tell the two apart by color but you will say the 454 is dimmer than the 460 one.

Now the question remains is the ZK bulb producing less light above 470nm or is it producing more light below 460 nm? Or could it even be a combination of both?

Without a spectrometer, I couldn't tell ya. Lol




Ryan are you comparing a new blue plus vs super blue or is the blue plus old?
You say you just purchased it, what's that mean? You really can't compare a new bulb to an old bulb, especially if its a blue bulb.

Anyway, I may have to look around more as I haven't checked prices in awhile but they used to be more than $4 more @ reefgeek. Update, yes it seems the KZ super blue is the cheapest KZ bulb at only $4 more @ reefgeek. The other bulbs cost more, like the Fiji purple costs $8 more than ATI purple plus. (24")
I'm have been running the Fiji purple for awhile. Is it really worth $8 more ? Hmmm.
I think the super blue has more actinic lighting & less PAR than the blue plus. The GIESSEMAN actinic plus & KZ super blue are probably closer bulbs than comparing it to a blue plus, you know what I mean...obviously you can compare whatever bulbs you want.

The blue plus is 4 months old and in my experience you don't see much shift until the 9 month mark and even that is subtle. The superblue is definitely deeper than a brand new blue plus though. The blue plus went more green with ATI's last "update".
 
24X18x18 Aquarium. Zoanthids Only. Im Looking For The Flouresent Color Of The Polyps To Really Stand Out With Out Going 100% Blue. Im Looking In The 14K-20k Range.

Lighting Is A 4 Bulb Retro With Icecap Reflectors And Workhorse Ballast.

If Need Be I Can Change It To A 6 Bulb With A 660 But I Feel That Would Fry everything
 
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The blue plus is 4 months old and in my experience you don't see much shift until the 9 month mark and even that is subtle. The superblue is definitely deeper than a brand new blue plus though. The blue plus went more green with ATI's last "update".

When did they change the blue plus bulbs. Where is this link, or is it from observations from people? I've heard one other person say this but never any data supporting this.
 
When did they change the blue plus bulbs. Where is this link, or is it from observations from people? I've heard one other person say this but never any data supporting this.

They revamped all their bulbs about two years ago. They also made a change to their boxes to reflect this. That way you could tell between old and new.

I know reef builders had an article on it and I had private messages from Oliver Pritzel (president of ATI) that they were making the change. They bumped PAR and made them last a little longer. I'm thinking the "bump" in PAR may have just been removing some low end spectrum that PAR meters don't read and adding light in the "sweet spot". That does nothing for PUR however. That is just a theory though. I can only report on what I see and observe. The blue plus bulbs are not the blue they used to be.

I will monitor the superblue and see if I notice any changes. I see no difference between a purple plus and Fiji purple though and I've had then side by side as well. I may have to get new of each and see though....:rolleyes:

I'm in the middle of building an LED/T5 hybrid right now and plan to run 2 superblue and 2 coral plus for my T5s. I will post pics when it is ready in a few weeks/months.
 
They revamped all their bulbs about two years ago. They also made a change to their boxes to reflect this. That way you could tell between old and new.

I know reef builders had an article on it and I had private messages from Oliver Pritzel (president of ATI) that they were making the change. They bumped PAR and made them last a little longer. I'm thinking the "bump" in PAR may have just been removing some low end spectrum that PAR meters don't read and adding light in the "sweet spot". That does nothing for PUR however. That is just a theory though. I can only report on what I see and observe. The blue plus bulbs are not the blue they used to be.

I will monitor the superblue and see if I notice any changes. I see no difference between a purple plus and Fiji purple though and I've had then side by side as well. I may have to get new of each and see though....:rolleyes:

I'm in the middle of building an LED/T5 hybrid right now and plan to run 2 superblue and 2 coral plus for my T5s. I will post pics when it is ready in a few weeks/months.

Gotcha, thank you.
All my bulbs are the new style & going a little over 7 months now with 8 hours a day avg.
Not sure the extra $8 each or a 24" Fiji purple is worth it but $4 more makes it a little harder decision with the blue.

So your ditching the purple bulb, huh?
 
I have a 36" TEK LIGHT T-5 that is ready for a bulb change. I am looking to keep mostly SPS, and I have a Clam. What do you think of the following bulb combo, 4-ATI Blue Plus, 1-ATI Aquablue Special and 1-ATI Purple Plus. I am looking for a crisp bluish look, thx
 
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