The word 'Japanese' in a coral description

[John Kelly]

Ryan,

According to Adam, the corals that people buy from ecoralz in which Ray has "used" Adams pictures, cannot possibly be the same corals that you receive. According to Adams own words on here Ray only uses the pictures, not the product............

So you must have received something different.

 

[slojmn]

Doc, you read it right, I was apalled at those strong arm tactics...very bizzare behavior. I guess Adam will blame that kind of behavior on "Ray's" "special condition". I think there are just to many vendors in the arena these days for companies to risk their own loss of business by just blowing people off and treating the customer in this way. It is surprising that either buisness would handle things the way they have. We have so many more choices now than we use to. Not worth it in my estimation. I have seen so many other vendors deal with issues in much more professional ways. It seems that Adam would want to "reign in" Ray and settle things down...maybe re-group...do their "two businesses" a little differently to make things more seperate, if that is in fact the case, that they are seperate entities.

Ryan I sure hope things get resolved in a more positive way.

 

[Cquarium]

Look guys, I've mentioned previously that Ray has special needs and it's OK with him that I discuss it with any one privately.

I think I need to explain the term Japanese in a better way. I get corals about 2-3 time a week and it's like Xmas opening every bag. I get very excited and I sometimes like to share my enthusiasm when I describe the coral. I call them ATOMIC and SCREAMING etc. The term Japanese is nothing but another marketing tool is used to describe corals and it's NOT related to geography as some of you think.

As you might know that Japanese are known for having the most expansive art collection in the world and they pay the highest in auctions. I recall when I was in the freshwater fish business (about 20 years ago), I used to sell pond fish called koi. Some of them are called Japanese koi and some are bred in Japan and all over the world, but they still call them Japanese. Why? it's just a reference to the beauty and the well known fact that some of these fish go in the HUNDRED OF THOUSAND OF $$ in that area .... Is it a scam? Off course not and it's nothing but a metaphor.

Also, I see a lot of silly names for corals that people call like: Galaxy, Alien and even O.J. Simpson ... Is that a SCAM ?? Are corals coming from other Galaxy ?? OR are Aliens really exits? I can't come up with the O.J. Simpsen connection, please can someone explain it to me !!

When I listed Acanthastrea maxima and described it as Japanese, I even listed ALL the similar species, their pictures and LOCATION according to Veron's book and website. Scam and deception was not my intention.

Happy reefing,
Adam

 

[wrasseguy2]

adam yes it is a scam...so is your co. along with Ray's and....you two guys are a joke to the hobby..and i think that you just can't take the heat that has been brought on you now that you have been exposed for what you really are...i think that both of you are special and have special needs to try to con everyone like you do

 

[da6d2003]

I was staying out of this but I can't let this go by without comment.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9012495#post9012495 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cquarium
Look guys, I've mentioned previously that Ray has special needs and it's OK with him that I discuss it with any one privately.

I think I need to explain the term Japanese in a better way....

The term Japanese is nothing but another marketing tool is used to describe corals and it's NOT related to geography as some of you think. "

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a jeweller/goldsmith and if I called a Ruby from Madagascar "Burmese" because of the color, I would get my butt sued off.

 

[John Kelly]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9012495#post9012495 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Cquarium
I think I need to explain the term Japanese in a better way. .... The term Japanese is nothing but another marketing tool is used to describe corals and it's NOT related to geography as some of you think.
Adam

A better way? In your way maybe, or someone else just trying to twist words for the benefit of making extra $$$, which is literally a deception. In your mind the term "Japanese" is another "marketing tool". In the customers mind, and in any normal person's mind, the term "Japanese" is an indicator of where the coral is from or originated. It is obvious to everyone reading this that you are out to take advantage of peoples perceptions. For the sake of the saltwater hobby, please stop.

 

[grisha]

lol.
awesome guys. we need a '' the coral web patrol''

 

[ReefDoctorMicromussas]

There is no doubt that in this hobby when we see Fiji mushrooms we believe that the Vendor imported them from Fiji... Soloman Zoos from Soloman... and items that say Bali from Bali, (at least originally) when we see Japanese Acan we also believe that this coral somehow magically made its way here from Japan... As you well know by your mixed prices the term "japanese" to these hobbists commands a higher price and demand. You admit this deception in your post. Look at the way you just described "Japanese" corals... "The term Japanese is nothing but another marketing tool is used to describe corals and it's NOT related to geography as some of you think." NO it is NOT a marketing tool... what you are saying is simply a LIE... To name a coral Galaxy, or OJ Simpson ect. is to create a way to identify its liniage rather than "The red and green one" to use the words Japanese to describe your corals is misleading hype and you know this... the same way you illegally utilize the Ebay search feature by adding the words Micromussa to corals that are not... You call yourself an honest vendor and then admit to these practices? If you were to describe these traits to a Psychologist you would be identified as having great ethical and moral dilemas. I am all for hype and marketing thats OK.. even cool, its how things are sold But the next time I am told that a Yugo is a high quality German car I'll puke. I guess I should be silent now as I do not want Adam to destroy my credit LOL What a loser.

 

[BlueCorn]

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