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What is even more funny is they give the latin name as the day octopus O.cyanea. They even had a hard time spelling that correctly. I have called them in the past inquireing about the purchase of Hapalochlaena lunulata, the specis in the picture. You probably wouldnt have much luck getting one from them them any way.:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I happen to know the idiot that owns the site, he lives in Auburn CA. If anyone wants his info just let me know.
 
pacu:

All Octopus are venomous to some degree, but the blue-ring is highly venomous(deadly), no mater what type of blue-ring it is.

For more info just do a search on lycos.com (or any other search engine) on BLUE+RING+OCTOPUS
 
How do you know a cobra is venomous? People have been bitten and DIED. Same way with the blue-ringed octopus.
 
i hope that guy really doesn't know that octopus is poisonous. if he does know it and only wants to make a profit out of greed then thats an evil person for you.
 
Let me be a fusyy b*st*rd for a wee second and say that if something is poisonous you have to ingest it before it will harm you, ie eat it! In the case of octopuses we use the term venemous, meaning they inject something into you..... so snakes and spiders are not poisonous (you can eat them) but venemous like an octopus...... damn, I can be really boring sometimes:D

C
 
isn't it against the law to sell that? i feel bad for the person who receives it... i mean, it could be some playful little kid's birthday present who is fascinated by octopuses...
 
I dont know about in the States but over here you dont need to have a DWA (dangerous wild animals) lisence to keep it legally.
It is not recognised in literature.... they just dont expect people to be able to get their hands on them.

DWA normally covers things like, venemous spiders, snakes, crocodilians, monkeys over marmoset size, canines non domestic and big cats..... I think most places would laugh you out the door for applying for a license to keep one!

Zoos and public aquariums are required by law that if they have venemous animals like above on site that they have access to anti-venom at a local hospital and that the local councils know about it. Also they have insurance..... seems crazy that Wee Peter the 14 year old kid with his first aquarium could probably get one online if he tried!!!

So I think that the laws on animals kept as pets needs tightening up a bit!!!! And i think we kinda do our bit too as responsible ceph keepers to disuade people from buying blue rings....

C
 
Emperor said:
How do you know a cobra is venomous? People have been bitten and DIED. Same way with the blue-ringed octopus.

I was just making sure I used the word "venomous" and not poisonous. I am pretty anal when it comes to what is venomous and poisonous too...:bum:
 
These little guys are gorgeous and VERY VERY Deadly. They use a neurotoxin type venom that is very fast acting. The venom can kill within minutes. Even worse, the venom is so potent that you probably will never even feel it bite you. The Pain receptors are taken out before the pain has a chance to register to the brain. The first thing that you will notice is an inability to breath about a minute after the bite.

That being said, these little guys will only bite a person if cornered or angered. They would much prefer to ink and vacate than bite. There is no known example of a aquarist being bitten. However, the possibility is still there.

I have seen these for sale both online (FFE for one), and at some LFS...althought they did mark them as highly venomous or deadly.
 
In the show "Incredible Suckers" there was a fake and spliced together fight scene between a mantis shrimp and a blue ring. The narrator said something that implied the blue ring could release venom into the water and kill the shrimp without biting it? Was I just confused or is this true?

pat
 
I believe that I have seen that show, but I don't remember it saying anything about them releaseing their venom into the water. However, this is a venom that has to interact internally, and even if the octo did release it while your hand was in the water, it would not affect you unless you licked your hand afterwards. However, those toxin levels in your tank would kill just about anything else, probably including the octo.

As I stated initially, though, I do not remember the show saying that they could do this.
 
I've been off chasing stomatopods and blue-rings for the past month, so I missed most of this thread while it was developing. However, a few comments.

First, thousands of blue-rings, nearly all H. lunulata from Indonesia, come into the U.S.A. every year. You can buy them from several importers for from $20-60 each. Most are adults, many have been captured using toxic chemicals, and you will be lucky if you can keep one alive for a month or two. Most die in days. Even if they were not potentially deadly, they are not a good deal.

After having seen many of these animals for sale - including in local retail operations where the owners had no idea how dangerous they were, I tried to provide some warning about purchasing these animals by posting to various on-line groups and by writing a piece for the aquarium magazine, FAMA. Unfortunately, that article seems to have stirred up more interest in owning blue-rings than it did in deterring people. (The article - sans pictures - is posted on the Cephalopod Page.)

The primary toxin in blue-rings is TTX, a common biological toxin that blocks neural conduction by interferring with sodium channels. Blue-rings themselves are NOT affected by TTX because they have a modified sodium channel that does not bind with TTX.

The question about whether this is a venom or a poison is to a large degree semantic. However, I would not advise eating a blue-ring. Fugu poisoning is simply TTX that was not removed from a pufferfish. Obviously, ingesting TTX in this case is not beneficial to your health. I would suspect the same of eating a blue-ring. While we don't know for sure, the aposomatic warning coloration of blue-rings is just as likely saying "Don't eat me" as it is saying "Stay away or I will bite you". I have watched fish spit them out quickly. Again, I haven't tried it myself.

I have experience some neurological symptoms from blue-rings, however. When they die, they leak saliva into the water and this does seem to penetrate the skin. It produced only mild tingling, but I would not like to take a bath in the stuff.

The sequence shot for Incredible Suckers was staged and did claim that the blue-ring released venom. There is one paper claiming this. I have tried to replicate it without success. The person who filmed the sequence admits that one stomatopod pounded the octopus and that the sequence was shot in a tank. I suspect that the octopus was damanged and "leaked" saliva.

As for inking, it is diagnostic of blue-rings that adults do not ink.

Roy
 
Roy,
Thanks for the great info. Do you know if any license is required for sale/keeping in California.
 
To my knowledge, there is no requirement for licensing in California. Recently, researchers here at Berkeley were required to report if we kept various biological agents that could be used in bioterrorism. This list included TTX. Dutifully, I reported that I had TTX - inside my living blue-rings. No one seemed to know how to deal with that information.

Roy
 
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