Thinking about installing a biopellet reactor, have some questions.

gnasher

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My motivation:
I have a multi-tank system with a total volume of 70 gallons. One of these tanks has predatory snails with voracious appetites. I feed them often to keep them disinterested in each other, and they are by far my biggest source of waste. With ~15% water changes weekly, my nitrates are usually between 40 and 80 ppm. As keeping invertebrates is my primary interest, I would like to do all I can to keep them healthy, which means reducing those nitrates. I'm already growing chaeto in my sump, and don't currently have a setup that can support a deep sand bed, so it seems carbon dosing would be my best bet. Because I can be out of town for a week or so at a time, manual dosing isn't really an option. It is for this reason that I'm looking into using a biopellet reactor.

The biggest problem:

I am looking to use a Reef Dynamics reactor. I know that it's important to have the effluent from the reactor to be directed towards the skimmer intake. The problem is that I have a hang-on-back skimmer, and it's 4ft off the ground, where the sump (and where I'd like the reactor to be) is. Guys at the LFS say that it wouldn't be able to pump that high, so I'm wondering how reasonable it would be to just send the effluent into the sump. I suppose it would be possible to mount the reactor next to the display tank, but it would be awkward and (if it's even feasible) would require some creative in-tank tubing that I'd like to avoid. Even in this situation, the effluent would not be directly fed into the skimmer, just directed towards its intake.

My understanding of how the reactor works:
My understanding is that the pellets promote the growth of a particular type of aerobic bacteria that use it as food. This bacteria metabolizes both nitrates and phosphates. This metabolism alone does not remove anything from the tank, it just converts it for the most part into bacterial mass. For this reason, skimming is necessary, and what is being skimmed from the tank is the bacteria itself. My understanding of why it is a good idea to skim the effluent is two fold: (1) that the bacteria live primarily on the pellets, so when they die/dislodge they can be efficiently removed, and (2) they consume a lot of oxygen, and the skimming ensures that the effluent will be properly oxygenated before being introduced to the display.

So my questions are:

Is my understanding of the reactor's function correct? Please add/correct anything you feel I've left out. Guys at the LFS say that bacterial waste is also being skimmed, not just bacteria. If that's true, how it's different from any other dissolved organic?

How different will things be if I don't feed the reactor effluent directly into the skimmer? Will it work less effectively? I don't mind that so much, especially since they seem to be so powerful, but I want to avoid at all costs making any sort of change that might negatively effect the health of my animals.

Additional info:

-Livestock consists of one damsel, a few soft corals, many snails both large and small, and a small mantis shrimp.

-Skimmer has venturi air intake, but I also use an air stone for additional bubbles.

Anny additional advice or insight is always appreciated, thanks in advance (^^)(__)
 
I have no issue dumping the pellet reactor into the sump. I wouldn't worry too much about that. It will still function. Can you move the HOB to the sump?
 
My understanding of how the reactor works:
My understanding is that the pellets promote the growth of a particular type of aerobic bacteria that use it as food. This bacteria metabolizes both nitrates and phosphates. This metabolism alone does not remove anything from the tank, it just converts it for the most part into bacterial mass. For this reason, skimming is necessary, and what is being skimmed from the tank is the bacteria itself. My understanding of why it is a good idea to skim the effluent is two fold: (1) that the bacteria live primarily on the pellets, so when they die/dislodge they can be efficiently removed, and (2) they consume a lot of oxygen, and the skimming ensures that the effluent will be properly oxygenated before being introduced to the display.

So my questions are:

Is my understanding of the reactor's function correct? Please add/correct anything you feel I've left out. Guys at the LFS say that bacterial waste is also being skimmed, not just bacteria. If that's true, how it's different from any other dissolved)

Bacteria need nitrates phosphates and carbon to grow and reproduce. The pellet reactor supplies the carbon. You can also liquid carbon dose using vodka and or vinegar. Under anaerobic conditions bacteria will reduce nitrates to nitrogen gas which bubbles out of the tank
Phosphates are as simulated into the structures of the bacteria . A skimmer will remove dead bacteria in the tank and thus remove some phosphates. Most of the bacteria live in films called biofilms and would not be removed by skimming
A Gfo media will by far remove most of the phosphates so usually it is run in conjunction with carbon dosing
 
one of the more comprehensive articles:

http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/probiotics-demystified

i have been running my Reef Dynamics BPR 500 for 2 months.
I went with the 500 purposely, as 'oversized' for my system.
similarly, my SRO 6000 skimmer is 'oversized' as well.
system is 275g, and will be 100% acropora

i think you will find the RD BPR to be well built, and backed by good customer service.

i took GFO offline upon introduction of the BPR.
Day 0 PO4 was undetectable (Hanna ULR Phosphorous)
Day 0 NO3 was 25ppm

i have not yet been able to 'dial in' the reactor to reach ULNS levels.
RD has suggested a lower flow through the reactor 250 gallons per day or approx 10mL per second. thats low flow indeed. so i've been running this way for a week or so and have not yet seen params come down yet.

not a set it forget it setup, but i like the potential

keep us posted
-Greg
 
" am looking to use a Reef Dynamics reactor. I know that it's important to have the effluent from the reactor to be directed towards the skimmer intake. The problem is that I have a hang-on-back skimmer, and it's 4ft off the ground, where the sump "
Reeftoys has this option just have to add DC pump to export to your skimmer:)
 
Curious ... Why is that important?

"Bacteria need nitrates phosphates and carbon to grow and reproduce. The pellet reactor supplies the carbon. You can also liquid carbon dose using vodka and or vinegar. Under anaerobic conditions bacteria will reduce nitrates to nitrogen gas which bubbles out of the tank
Phosphates are as simulated into the structures of the bacteria . A skimmer will remove dead bacteria in the tank and thus remove some phosphates. Most of the bacteria live in films called biofilms and would not be removed by skimming
A Gfo media will by far remove most of the phosphates so usually it is run in conjunction with carbon dosing "
Are we talking this is happened in the reactor or in reef aquarium?
Sorry I am asking I'm just little bit confuse....
 
"Bacteria need nitrates phosphates and carbon to grow and reproduce. The pellet reactor supplies the carbon. You can also liquid carbon dose using vodka and or vinegar. Under anaerobic conditions bacteria will reduce nitrates to nitrogen gas which bubbles out of the tank
Phosphates are as simulated into the structures of the bacteria . A skimmer will remove dead bacteria in the tank and thus remove some phosphates. Most of the bacteria live in films called biofilms and would not be removed by skimming
A Gfo media will by far remove most of the phosphates so usually it is run in conjunction with carbon dosing "
Are we talking this is happened in the reactor or in reef aquarium?
Sorry I am asking I'm just little bit confuse....

Yes
Some can happen in the reactor itself as the biofilm can create an anaerobic area under it but largely you want it to occur in and on the live rock and the surface of the substrate
The main function of the reactor is to supply the carbon to the bacteria in the tank so there is no need to have the reactor output going through the skimmer
 
Yes
Some can happen in the reactor itself as the biofilm can create an anaerobic area under it but largely you want it to occur in and on the live rock and the surface of the substrate
The main function of the reactor is to supply the carbon to the bacteria in the tank so there is no need to have the reactor output going through the skimmer

I'm sorry but I cannot agree with your statements.It is very foolish to export Biopallets leftovers.....there is several reasons.....
I'm at work right now so maybe later on we can continue this Friendly conversation:)
 
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