Tonga rock in Florida beaches?!?!?

SaltyReefs

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I've lived in Florida all my life and I got to tell you, I don't think I have ever seen this rock, unless I have been hiding under a rock. (No pun intended) It looks like tonga branch. Is it common? Does it come from our local reefs?

I'm planning to use this stuff. After I cook them, I want to glue some together to make use of them to glue frags in my crowded aquarium. I wouldn't think it's a problem if I cook them well.

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Is it legal to collect rock from the local beaches? I'm not scrutinizing at all... simply wondering for my own curiosity :)
 
Is it legal to collect rock from the local beaches? I'm not scrutinizing at all... simply wondering for my own curiosity :)

This rock was not taken from the water. I found it 60 -70 yards from the shore line, it's all dry rock.

I'm going to assume this is once live coral washed up from previous storms.
 
This rock was not taken from the water. I found it 60 -70 yards from the shore line, it's all dry rock.

I'm going to assume this is once live coral washed up from previous storms.

Disregard my post. Sorry must be delirious. I be never seen that type of rock while diving our waters.
 
ive seen these in key largo waters, bigger pieces as well, famous sand bar has them that I go all the time it is in pennekamp grounds though so I wouldnt harvest any.
 
If you run into a hard nose FWC, it doesn't matter that it's washed up beach rock.
it's still native habitat and considered scleterian (sp) rock and illegal.

I got hassled by FWC down in the keys when I picked up a piece of parking lot rock
at a fish joint called 'the quay'. crushed coral stone and the whole lot was 'paved' in it.

I got a 20 minute lecture when he saw me pick up a piece, my first weekend in florida.
the water is 15 feet away.
"I see that in your possesion again, I'll assume it came from the wild and arrest you, your wife, and your vehicle.
welcome to florida".
 
If you run into a hard nose FWC, it doesn't matter that it's washed up beach rock.
it's still native habitat and considered scleterian (sp) rock and illegal.

I got hassled by FWC down in the keys when I picked up a piece of parking lot rock
at a fish joint called 'the quay'. crushed coral stone and the whole lot was 'paved' in it.

I got a 20 minute lecture when he saw me pick up a piece, my first weekend in florida.
the water is 15 feet away.
"I see that in your possesion again, I'll assume it came from the wild and arrest you, your wife, and your vehicle.
welcome to florida".

I could be wrong, but that doesn't look like Live Rock to me. I think the key word is "live". Here's the definition according to FWC. See #12 below.

68B-42.002 Definitions.
As used in this rule chapter:
(1) "œBarrier net," also known as a "œfence net," means a seine used beneath the surface of the water by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish and which may be made of either nylon or monofilament.
(2) "œColony" means a continuous group of octocoral polyps forming a single unit.
(3) "œCommercial quantities" means any amount of marine life harvested or possessed for the purposes of sale or with intent to sell or in excess of the recreational bag limit.
(4) "œDiving" means swimming at or below the surface of the water.
(5) "œDrop net" means a small, usually circular, net with weights attached along the outer edge and a single float in the center, used by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish.
(6) "œFork Length" means the length of a fish as measured from the most forward point of the head to the rear center edge of the tail.
(7) "œHand held net" means a landing or dip net as defined in subsection 68B-4.002(4), F.A.C., except that a portion of the bag may be constructed of clear plastic material, rather than mesh.
(8) "œHarvest" means the catching or taking of a marine organism by any means whatsoever, followed by a reduction of such organism to possession. Marine organisms that are caught but immediately returned to the water free, alive, and unharmed are not harvested. In addition, temporary possession of a marine animal for the purpose of measuring it to determine compliance with the minimum or maximum size requirements of this chapter shall not constitute harvesting such animal, provided that it is measured immediately after taking, and immediately returned to the water free, alive, and unharmed if undersize or oversize.
(9) "œHarvest for commercial purposes" means the taking or harvesting of any tropical ornamental marine life species or tropical ornamental marine plant for purposes of sale or with intent to sell. The harvest of tropical ornamental marine life species or tropical ornamental marine plants in excess of the bag limit shall constitute a violation of this rule.
(10) "œImmediate family" refers to a license holder's mother, father, sister, brother, spouse, son, daughter, step-father, step-mother, step-son, step-daughter, half-sister, half-brother, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law.
(11) "œLand," when used in connection with the harvest of marine organisms, means the physical act of bringing the harvested organism ashore.
(12) "œLive rock" means rock with living marine organisms attached to it and includes any formations created by tube worms of the family Sabellariidae.
(13) "œOctocoral" means any erect, nonencrusting species of the Subclass Octocorallia, except the species Gorgonia flabellum and Gorgonia ventalina.
(14) "œPower tool" means anything other than a hand-powered tool. Prohibited devices include but are not limited to electric, gas, hydraulic or air-powered tools.
(15) "œSlurp gun" means a self-contained, handheld device that captures tropical fish by rapidly drawing seawater containing such fish into a closed chamber.
(16) "œTotal length" means the straight line distance from the most forward point of the head with the mouth closed, to the farthest tip of the tail with the tail compressed or squeezed, while the fish is lying on its side.
(17) "œTrawl" means a net in the form of an elongated bag with the mouth kept open by various means and fished by being towed or dragged on the bottom. "œRoller frame trawl" means a trawl with all of the following features and specifications:
(a) A rectangular rigid frame to keep the mouth of the trawl open while being towed.
(b) The lower horizontal beam of the frame has rollers to allow the trawl to roll over the bottom and any obstructions while being towed.
(c) The trawl opening is shielded by a grid of vertical bars spaced no more than 3 inches apart.
(d) The trawl is towed by attaching a line or towing cable to a tongue located above or at the center of the upper horizontal beam of the frame.
(e) The trawl has no doors attached to keep the mouth of the trawl open.
(18) "œTropical fish" means any species included in subsection (2) of Rule 68B-42.001, F.A.C., or any part thereof.
(19) "œTropical ornamental marine life species" means any species included in subsection (2) or (3) of Rule 68B-42.001, F.A.C., or any part thereof.
(20) "œTropical ornamental marine plant" means any species included in subsection (4) of Rule 68B-42.001, F.A.C.
Rulemaking Authority Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. Law Implemented Art. IV, Sec. 9, Fla. Const. History"“New 1-1-91, Amended 7-1-92, 1-1-95, 7-15-96, Formerly 46-42.002, Amended 2-1-05, 7-1-06, 7-1-09, 10-31-11, 11-1-12.

https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?title=MARINE LIFE&ID=68B-42.002
 
There is a ton of live branch rock north of commercial a ways on the first reef... It looks very similar to tonga. That's the only place I've ever see rock like that. There's broken pieces laying everywhere. But obviously illegal to take. Ill take pictures bext I visit that reef again.
 
Fyi it is illegal to take any kind of rock, or even beach sand from the beach. And that is certainly live rock.

I don't think any lasting effects would occur by taking this rock, but its illegal by law.

Source: my buddy tried to take beach sand for his backyard and got into some trouble.
 
Guess i'll bring the bag of tonga back into the house. :lol:
No I still want it.

Fyi it is illegal to take any kind of rock, or even beach sand from the beach. And that is certainly live rock.

I don't think any lasting effects would occur by taking this rock, but its illegal by law.

Source: my buddy tried to take beach sand for his backyard and got into some trouble.

What part of the rock do you see live? This rock is dead and dry. Also read the whole thread and you'll know where I found it.

Lets keep this thread on topic. I don't want to hear that it's illegal or legal.
 
old coral....

old coral....

What you have are pieces of old elkhorn and staghorn, originating from the ocean and deposited on shore by storms. Is the same rubble coral that was collected back in the day from the reefs in south Florida before the prohibition, and sold as 'live rock'

Richard TBS
www.tbsaltwater.com
www.itzalodge.com
 
Based on the info posted above, seems legal to take. I wouldn't be suprised if an FWC officer gave you a hard time about taking it, but I think if things went to court, that piece is definitely not live. Kinda the same situation we had a conversation about the other day about "legal collection" being frowned upon and given a hard time about in certain areas.
 
again- another good question if Marvin (FMAS PREZ) gets FWC to talk at one of our meetings. Let Marvin know if this is something you guys want. He will accomodate.
 
On topic portion of this thread: I have seen quite a bit of this type of rock on some of the reefs off of Hollywood and Miami, but its patchy. Some spots have lots some none at all.

Off topic: This is completely legal. If an FWC officer gives you a hard time just demonstrate that you know the regulations. Sometimes officers will make it seem like touching anything is illegal because a lot of people don't bother to learn the regulations in detail. Therefore many people might think that dry rock and live rock are the same, but we know better. Rock that is not in the water and doesnt have anything live on it is not live rock and therefore is legal to collect.

Always know the regulations, especially if you are harvesting heavily regulated items such as corals, liverock, lobsters, snook, etc.
 
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