Treating for redbugs and aefw

Ordered my levamisole last night. One thing to note is that it is no longer available in the pig/goat dewormer forms such as Prohibit. The maker of the product apparently had some issues with FDA approval and can no longer get the ingredients or something along that line. I was able to find it readily available under the name "Vermisol" which is used for pidgeons and other birds. 50 Tablets with 23.6 mg of Levamisole each, cost me $14.95.
 
This is good info, after my dip tonight I have started to get really fed up with these buggers. From most of my research it seems that most people did treatment in a seperate tank, this really isnt an option for me. I may just be giving this a try. The site you listed is out of stock but I think I have found another source.

James

Yes I found the same thing to be true in most of my research. I did find a few reefers who more recently attempted systemic treatment, just like we do with Interceptor for RBs. This got me thinking ...

I had already fragged my colonies to nubs, and placed all SPS in one 75 g frag tank with in my system that I had the ability to isolate. And that was my initial plan for the use of the Levamisole.

However, my research also told me that the eggs could be anywhere with in the Live Rock throughout my system. Even if I isolated the SPS frags in the 75, the remaing 400 plus pounds of LR in my system would be suspect. Why? Beacause there are little patches of acro all over the place! I had a valida table growing off the glass in my fuge at one point!. These f'n bastages grow from less than 1/2mm to 1/2" in a week or two and start breeding! How many SPS meals do they need? My concern was that they don't need much food at all.

I have had enough experience with RBs to know that defeating the motile adult population is bearly half the battle. I know that many reefers have seen success by dipping or using turkey basters and adding certain wrasses. But personally, I do not have any wrasses and do not feel that dipping has worked for me. And the turkey basting thing, the next time I work for years to build a stock of SPS corals worth thousands of dollars ... Well I'm not doing that. Systemic treatment, throughout the egg cycle, has been the only thing to work for me. There are disadvantages and I've pointed out those I am aware of in the above post I copied over to here.

RBs and AEFWs have become an epidemic in our hobby. We need to eradicate them in our systems and be vigilant in dipping, QTing and inspecting all incomming corlas. If we don't, this won't end and other pests will be identified.

If you can't tell, I am fed up with getting dosed with these buggers! I dip like crazy and have for years, and still I've recieved RBs and AEFWs! And from "trusted" sources. Becuase, dipping does absolutely nothing to address eggs on incomming corals. If you dip, clip off the bases, and inspect, you might be OK. Me for expamle, have still been infected after the dip, clip & inspect routine. But if you dip, QT, and dip and inspect, in QT, for 24 days, you will have the greatest chance to be OK.

Point is, you have to take care of your system to avoid these pests in the first place. No one else will!:fish2:
 
clowndude

Good luck!

James & Finland

If you are not aquiring a nearly pure Levamisole product, be sure to do the math based upon the concentration, by weight of your product.

What ever you concetration by weight is, you need 5 grams for every 300 gallons of system water you are treating per treatment.

Good Luck!
 
I totally agree, I have been dipping every few days, the last 3 dips I did I found no worms whatsoever. Yesterday I see one of my millis stressing, dipped it and about 50 worms came off! Its really getting frustrating.

Regarding the eggs, from what I have read, the research shows that they hatch within 21 days, if that is the case wouldn't the 3 treatments once a week theoretically kill all worms. I suppose there could be some stragglers though.
 
James

That's exactly why I say, if I had to do it agian, I'd leave every single coral in place and treat four times. At a 21 week cycle on the eggs, what if some eggs where deposited during week one?!?!?

Some critters instantly deposit gametes as a responce to stress!
 
James

That's exactly why I say, if I had to do it agian, I'd leave every single coral in place and treat four times. At a 21 week cycle on the eggs, what if some eggs where deposited during week one?!?!?

Some critters instantly deposit gametes as a responce to stress!

Sounds like a plan. So you circulated for 4-5 hours, then added carbon and turned skimmer back on. Did you do a 50% water change at that time as well?
 
James

I did about a 5% WC. That was from siphoning the bottom wich I highly recomend as many pods, mini brittles and AEFW carcases will be deposited there after a treatment.

I did not see a reason to change any more.

That said, you know your system, do what you think is best following a treatment. I had a 20% change ready at each treatment, but never felt the need to use it all after a proper dosing. I changed my GAC, then changed it again in 24 hours and left that bag until the next treatment.

I do agree with joshsua, I'm not a big fan of any WC over 20% unless it is a dire situation. That's such a hugh topic of debate though. Personally, I only "change" water when there's an issue, I change it daily as I dump my skimmer collection bucket, and when I siphon detritus every 1-2 weeks. That equals about 15-30 gal per week MAX in a 300ish gal system done a little bit here and there. That's it!
 
Just a reminder for anyone who is going to dose Levamisol to a whole system.

Keep your water moving as usual. While you turn off your skimmer to avoid over foaming, you want the Levi reach all wetted parts of the system.

Also, any systemic treatment has a tendancy to displace oxygen in water. If your system does not have big surface movement to start with, consider placing an airstone in with your fish where ever they may be in your system. I did not need to do this as I move a ton of water in my display tanks, but you may need to. Rule of thumb, if your not churning the surface, you need to aerate the water during treatment.
 
Just a reminder for anyone who is going to dose Levamisol to a whole system.

Keep your water moving as usual. While you turn off your skimmer to avoid over foaming, you want the Levi reach all wetted parts of the system.

Also, any systemic treatment has a tendancy to displace oxygen in water. If your system does not have big surface movement to start with, consider placing an airstone in with your fish where ever they may be in your system. I did not need to do this as I move a ton of water in my display tanks, but you may need to. Rule of thumb, if your not churning the surface, you need to aerate the water during treatment.

I'll add on to Bax here, I just did a whole system dose and within about 2 hours I noticed my fish gasping. Now mind you I am running 2 MP40s in reef crest anti-sync on a 75g, definitely a lot of flow in this tank. My fish seem to be ok now, next time I will definitely be using a large airstone for the first few hours. On a side note my serpent star lived, lots of dead bristleworms and pods though LOL
 
That's great news James!

The pods and stuff will come back.

What any of us who do this Levi treatment need to keep an eye out for is return of the beastly AEFWs and please report it here on RC somewhere if you do!

I remain convinced I'm AEFW free at this time. And all critters look great! I'm QT and adding new SPS too so be mindfull of that when you report successes or failures please! If you do not QT acros properly these buggers could slip in again!

I know this Levi treatment is a bit experimental, but so was Interceptor for RBs at one point!
 
To keep this amazing thread going, I am going to add that I will be doing a trial run on my QT setup followed by a full dose into my display. Will post progress as well.
 
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