Tried Ich Attack, now onto Kick-Ich

n72

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About 2 1/2 weeks ago, my Blue Tang, Coral Beauty and Blue Chromis had a a dozen or two spots of Ich. None of the other fish had ich. Since it was going to be impossible to remove them from the main tank and my tank has corals, I decided to use Kordon's Ich Attack to take care of the problem. I followed the instructions on the bottle and used the medication for 1 1/2 weeks. During this time, I had turned the skimmer off and also attached a UV Sterilizer to the tank, hoping to rid the water of all the Ich. After a few days, all the fish that had spots, showed no signs of Ich. About a week later, every single fish in the tank had Ich. The Blue Tang has it the worst, probably several hundred white spots on it's body. Although it is covered with Ich, it still has a big appetite and readily swims to the top during feeding time.

I did some research and decided to go with Kick-Ich. I bought the 2 liter bottle since my system is 150 gallons total (tank and sump).

So far it's too early to tell, but I'll post updates of my progress.

Does anyone have any suggestions or experience with either Ich Attack or Kick-Ich? Catching all the fish out and quarantining them is out of the question. It would be nearly impossible and would mean I would have to remove every coral and rock to be able to get to them. :sad2:
 
A UV should never be run with Medication. Always turn UV off when medicating. Kick ich, Rid ich, etc. are all a waste of time and money. There is nothing that has been proven to work that is Reef Safe.QT with hypo or copper in a seperate tank and allow main tank to be fishless for 6 weeks is the only way to really rid a tank of ich.

It is easier to remove fish if you drain half the water in the tank. Or try and catch them while they are sleeping at night.
 
If you cannot remove the fish, you cannot get rid of the ich. Depending on your coral load it may be easier to move them (and all other inverts) and do hyposalinity in your display.
 
I wouldn't hypo the display unless ALL rock and sand are also removed cause hypo will kill off all things living in the rock/sand and cause a huge ammonia spike which may kill the fish.
 
Hey N72 Im Larry and I feel your pain.Im in a strange way, lucky to be moving to a new house in a couple weeks.My Hippo Tang has ICK and in a 140 gal tank with 90 lbs of rock and corals and critters its not easy to catch her.If she stays healthy til the move she will not be acclimated to my display tank,instead she will spend two weeks in a QT.Also a .possibility is simply give her a freshwater dip , then place her in display at new house.I know from experience the FWD works..If however I wake up tomorrow morning and she looks worse then Ive decided to do a 20 gal water change,putting old water in my waterchange RUBBERMAID cans then methodically pulling out 1 piece at a time (LR) and putting my LR in old water to keep wet until little Dori has nowhere to hide.Then out she comes and its bathtime,thats right I said bathtime .Thanks for helping me make up my mind.The QT may work for other people with other fish but Ive tried and had great success with a FWD.So there it is man , youre not alone!
 
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I would NOT put Cupramine in the display tank if you have rock and/or sand. Any living organisms in the rock or sand will be killed (causing an ammonia spike and possibly killing all fish) and the rock/sand will absorb Cupramine so you will be having to continuously add Cupramine until absorbtion has stabilized.
 
I would NOT put Cupramine in the display tank if you have rock and/or sand. Any living organisms in the rock or sand will be killed (causing an ammonia spike and possibly killing all fish) and the rock/sand will absorb Cupramine so you will be having to continuously add Cupramine until absorbtion has stabilized.

+1.....Never add copper to a tank containing live sand and LR... That will lead to disaster!... your best bet IMO is to set you up a QT... I know this is a hassle but it is the only way. Add some pieces of pvc for the fish to hide in, just dont add anything that could absorb any medication. QT for 5-6 weeks.
 
IME, kick ick does actually work on some level. I used it years ago with success. That said, today I am of the opinion that it's snake oil and would not trust it under any circumstance.

I would not hypo any tank with inverts. Snails and hermits will die which may or may not be too big a bioload for your tank to handle. Corals don't particularly like it either. I did try it once and only saw a slight bleaching until I raised the SG level too fast a week or so later.

Hypo can kill ick but some strains are resistant. This is my current regamin. It's designed for clowns but I can adapt it for larger fish by simply switching to a larger tank.
It's not the only way to do it but it has worked for me.
Whatever regamin you decide to use, stick with the plan from start to finish and to not switch method mid course. Good luck.

Disease Prevention
The three most important things I know on this subject are:
1. Quarrantine
2. Quarrantine
3. Quarrantine

Supplies for QTs
- 10 gallon aquarium
- Power Filter rated for 40-50 gallons
- 50W heater
- Glass thermometer with suction cup
- Two 6" ceramic tiles or one 6" flower pot (for shelter)
- 50 gallon salt mix
- Two 5 gallon buckets (one for clean water one for dirty or medicated water)
- Glass canopy or 1 sheet of "eggcrate" lighting grid
- 1 pair small diaginal cutting pliars (for cutting the eggcrate to size.)

Optional items
- Aquarium stand
- strip light fixture (PCF if you plan to keep corals/anemones)
- Pre-Fabricated water syphon or 1/2" clear tubing from home depot.

Recommended Medications
- 1 bottle of Kordon's Formalin III
- 1 bottle of Cupramine
- 1 bottle of Amquell

Set up the system and allow it to run for at least 24 hours so the temperature can stabilize. If temp adjustments are needed, adjust to the thermometer; not the heater dial.
When you are ready to add the fish, it is generally accepted practice to float the bag for 15 minutes to allow the temps to stabilize. Drain 50% of the water into a waste water bucket and refill the volume you took out with water from the QT. You should repeat this process two or more times. When you are ready to add the fish, dump almost all the water into the waste water bucket and pour the fish into the QT. I avoid using nets wherever possible to avoid scraping or rubbing off slime and scales. These kinds of minor damage can make fish more succeptable to infection.

I usually set the tank temp for 75-78 degrees F unless it's a specamin like A. latezonatus that requires cooler temps.

If you have a particularly fragile fish like A. chrysopterus or A. nigripes, I recommend setting the specific gravity to 1.009 in advance. Use a refractometer. Swing arm hydrometers can be grossly innacurate. Hypo-salinity will kill many of the paracites that live on our fish. It's referred to as osmotic shock therapy. As the title suggests, you want to shock the organisms you are trying to kill with a sudden change in osmotic pressure so they literally explode. This is not the case when returning to regular salinity. This should be done of the course of a few days. To do this I like to allow the QT to evaporate naturally. Instead of using fresh makeup water to keep it at the same SG I add saltwater to slowly bring the salinity back up.

Quarrantine should be performed for a minimum of one month after purchase or the last symptom of disease. Whichever is longer. I usually end up quarrantining fish for 90 days. 30 for inverts.

*Invertebrates and some scale-less fishes will not survive hyposalinity.

With clowns, the diseases you will want to be most cautious of are Brooklynella, Amyloodinium and Ick (in that order.) With fish that I know to be succeptable to brook or amyloo I automatically add Formalin III to the system. Otherwise, I look at their breathing, behavior and skin (in that order) a couple times each day. The hypo-salinity may well knock out any of these three diseases before they have a chance to take hold. However, I highly recommend having the above recommended meds on hand. If the hypo doesn't knock it out, you probably have a very aggressive case on your hands and time is critical.

*Please do not blame me if you loose fish with these methods. These methods have greatly improved survival rates of my fish but they're not 100% effective. It takes experience to properly diagnose diseases and even more experience to diagnose them early. ~



Common Disease Treatment




Compliments of MarinaP on Reef Central I have a new regamin for treatment of certain diseases. I have not tried this in the exact sequence mentioned but it does fall in line with what I believe to be best practices. I have modified her regamin slightly to fit my own preferences.

*Wear gloves and eye protection whenever handling formalin or bleach.
*Do not use activated carbon/charcoal while medicating.




For Amyloodinium or Ick:

*For all procedures: Use water that has a specific gravity (SG) of 1.009
**Do not mix medications.
***Be sure that temperature is the same in all holding vessels.

Day One
1. Slowly lower SG to 1.009
2. Perform a formalin dip per directions on the bottle.
3. Remove fish from formalin dip and place in an unused quarrantine tank that has been treated with cupramine per the recommendations on the bottle.
4. Set up a second quarrantine tank (QT) with the same SG and temperature of water as the first QT.

Day Two
1. Place fish in second quarrantine tank that has been treated with cupramine per the recommendations on the bottle.
2. Clean first quarrantine tank and all related components with a 10% bleach soln then set it back up. It is OK to soak the filter pad in bleach soln then rinse thoroughly before re-use if desired.

*Repeat process for days three through six.

Day Seven
1. If there are no further external symptoms, add fish to a quarrantine tank with a SG of 1.009 with no medications for at least 28 days.
2. Add a fresh filter cartridge with carbon to the filter.
3. Perform 20% water changes and or use Amquell as directed.
4. It is OK to use Prazi-Pro as directed after the first week as a prophylactic treatment or if internal paracites are suspected.
*Remember to discard activated carbon while in use.

For Brooklynella
- Follow the same regamin but substitute a formalin bath between formalin dips instead of using cupramine. ~
 
OK so my QT is a 10 gal with a emperor 400.I have the heater and a shelter for Dori.Do I put any live sand?Any info on the water perameters I should know?My QT has been set up for 2 Mos. and all I do is add make up water.
 
OK so my QT is a 10 gal with a emperor 400.I have the heater and a shelter for Dori.
This is not an acceptable quarrantine tank size for a tang that is more than about 2" long.

Do I put any live sand?
Absolutely no sand or other coral based decor should be in the QT. It absorbs and holds medications. Flower pots, ceramic tiles, plastic plants or other FW type decorations are fine for hiding places.

Any info on the water perameters I should know?
Hypo SG should be 1.009 and normal is 1.021 - 1.025. Watch ammonia (Amquel helps.) Temps around 78 are good. Some go higher to speed the life cycle of the disease. I like to go low because it not only slows the progression of the disease it relaxes the fish and slows it's oxygen demand. This makes it less stressed and in turn less desirable as a host for re-infestation.

My QT has been set up for 2 Mos. and all I do is add make up water.
That's fine if your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate are fine. I take it that there's nothing in there??? If so, I would not leave a QT just sitting there. It's a waste of electricity, filter media and becomes a temptation to turn it into another display.



Also, sorry to be the one to tell you this but a QT should only be used to treat one fish or a mated pair of fish at a time. It is not suitable for bioloads higher than that.
 
I wouldn't hypo the display unless ALL rock and sand are also removed cause hypo will kill off all things living in the rock/sand and cause a huge ammonia spike which may kill the fish.

The amount of bioload in most tanks after you remove the decent sized inverts is pretty small. You will see an ammonia spike but with proper changing of salinity more bacteria survives than most would think. This bacteria can process the ammonia. It is certainly something to watch. But compared to treating a display with copper or some voodoo organic it can be the best option available IMO.
 
Thank you all for your suggestions and input. Since I already started the Kick-Ich medication in the display tank, I'm going to continue with it and post my experience for others to read and make their own decisions should they get into the same situation I'm in.
 
UPDATE

Day 1

The day after I added the first dose of Kick-Ich to the display tank, I did not see much relief in the tank. In fact, both Perculas are now covered in Ich. I guess it was bound to happen sooner or later since most of the other fish have it. I was beginning to get worried that they would all die before I could finish the treatment.

Day 2

I noticed most of the spots on the Blue Tang had fallen off. It's skin now has light brown blotches. Looks to be like open wounds. It doesn not come to the top to feed. It hides in the rocks and seems scared. My Chromises have fewer spots and my Perculas are still covered with Ich. They seem to be breathing more rapidly than normal.

I cam home from work only to find a group of hermit crabs finishing of one of the Perculas that had given in to the disease. The only recognizable piece of it was the orange and black tail. Everything had been eaten by the cleaning crew. (Sad, but pretty impressive.)
 
Oops, I forgot to mention that all the coral and invertebrates seem to be ok. So far the medication has not visibly affected any of them. I'm keeping my fingers cross that I won't lose any of it, like the bottle claims. I don't have anything terribly expensive (Xenia, Zoos, Mushrooms, etc.), but it would suck if I lost them after spending $45 on medication that claims to be reef safe.
 
My Hippo Tang is 2 in long so I think she will be ok in the QT and I want to do this but I have a couple questions.1-Do I have to hypo?Cant I just QT with cupramine and skip the hypo?2-What about my healthy fish in the display?If they dont get ICK while mytang is QTd does that mean my tank is ICK free?
 
I would think that using Cupramine and doing hypo would be pretty stressful on a smaller Hippo Tang. They seem to get stressed easily. Any thoughts from the more experienced reefers?
 
My Hippo Tang is 2 in long so I think she will be ok in the QT and I want to do this but I have a couple questions.1-Do I have to hypo?Cant I just QT with cupramine and skip the hypo?2-What about my healthy fish in the display?If they dont get ICK while mytang is QTd does that mean my tank is ICK free?

1. Sure. If you're more comfortable doing it with just the cupramine, that's what you should do.
2. No. Ick can attach itself to your fish's gills and be in a bit of a dormant state that you may not be able to see. As long as there are fish in that display that have not been treated and the tank has not remained fallow, you should assume that ick still resides.
 

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