Trouble Culturing Berghia????

jlinzmaier

Premium Member
I've cultured berghia for about 6 months now and have recently run into trouble. At the start of my berghia culture a few egg strands would produce hundreds of berghia in a months time. As I've continued to culture, I've traded out the old breeding stock for groups of their hatchlings that I grew large enough to breed - I've done this a half of dozen times to keep young healthy breeding stock.

As of recently, I'm having a tough time getting even a dozen berghia to grow out of a dozen egg strands using the exact same culture method and processs that previously yielded such spectular results. I'm wondering if because of a lack of diversity from the "breeding gene pool" that the berghia are not producing viable egg strands (is it to some degree "inbreeding" causing sterility and lack of reproductive viability)???? Not sure if berghia can continue to reproduce several generations out from the same family without adding some fresh stock to add diversity to the gene pool???

Any thoughts??

Jeremy
 
I don't know. You should probably contact a few of the other breeders and see what they say. I'm pretty sure no one around here other than you has even attempted to breed these creatures. You should contact someone who knows more than you do about Berghia and you know more than we do at this point.
 
I don't know. You should probably contact a few of the other breeders and see what they say. I'm pretty sure no one around here other than you has even attempted to breed these creatures. You should contact someone who knows more than you do about Berghia and you know more than we do at this point.

I have had spectacular success and this is really baffling. I've tried contacting other breeders and of course they don't want to give up their secrets but are quick to sell me some more bergs. Unfortunately I may have to just bite the bullet and order a new batch and see if I can resume the culture rate I was achieving.

Thank you for your help!!

Jeremy
 
Maybe it's something else then. After all if they don't need your lineages how are they getting theirs? Makes more sense if its just because they don't need em.

Perhaps you can find someone without a commercial interest in them like a scientist or professor who could help.

Maybe there's a depleted nutrient of some sort. Maybe you could start a new tank with new rock and 100% new water and see if that helps.
 
Well, my culturing down through about 8 generations of the same lineage doesn't seem to be a problem. I now have dozens of little hatchlings that are doing great. After some very mythodical controlled experimentation and creating several test cultures with simple variables (and control samples as well) I seem to have fixed the problem. I'm good to go and back on track.

Thanks for the suggestions!!

Jeremy
 
Hi Jeremy,
If you have any of these berghia nudibranches left and are willing to sell a few I'd like to buy some. I've been having a really bad time with aptasia and heard these little guys are effective. Please contact me at mariaaenlle@me.com and let me know how I can buy some from you if possible. Thank you!

Maria
 
The cultures have been up and down. About to give up on them. My CBB is doing the trick.

Jeremy
 
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Do you have any berghia for sale?

Sorry. Not at the moment. I've been trying to get the culture going to manage the aiptasia in my own display. After doing countless experiments with different variables I've still been unable to figure out how to get a process down to produce a significant amount of offspring.

Jeremy
 
Jeremy

I would say that your problem is inbreeding. Check all your trace metal levels and see if that could be a problem, but if you have not introduced a new lineage into the culture then one of the classic signs of inbreeding is sterility or nonviable clutches. We have an undergrad in our lab who is trying to culture berghia as well. IF they are successful we could probably sell some to you. But that is a big IF. My email contact is cec0032@auburn.edu if you want to get into contact. Like I said we haven't gotten a successful culture yet, but if we do (which I hope we do) we could ship them to you if you are interested.
 
Jeremy

I would say that your problem is inbreeding. Check all your trace metal levels and see if that could be a problem, but if you have not introduced a new lineage into the culture then one of the classic signs of inbreeding is sterility or nonviable clutches. We have an undergrad in our lab who is trying to culture berghia as well. IF they are successful we could probably sell some to you. But that is a big IF. My email contact is cec0032@auburn.edu if you want to get into contact. Like I said we haven't gotten a successful culture yet, but if we do (which I hope we do) we could ship them to you if you are interested.

Thanks for the reply.

I did consider lineage and the concerns with inbreeding. I actually bought new breeders several months ago from two different places and the results were still the same. Keep me posted on how successful your culture is.

Jeremy
 
Hi Jeremy,
I'm not sure if this will help but I added some live adult brine shrimp to my sump a week ago. Some aptasia in the sump captured and ate the brine shrimp. It got me to thinking that it might help for you to gut load some BS and then feed them to your aptasia culture prior to feeding your Berghia.
Hope this helps.
 
Hi Jeremy,
I'm not sure if this will help but I added some live adult brine shrimp to my sump a week ago. Some aptasia in the sump captured and ate the brine shrimp. It got me to thinking that it might help for you to gut load some BS and then feed them to your aptasia culture prior to feeding your Berghia.
Hope this helps.

The health and quality of the aiptasia is very important for berghia culture. You're right on track with that one!! I've got some very dark healthy aiptasia that i've been feeding my breeders. The berghia utilize the zooxanthellae within the tissue of the aiptasia for their own metabolic needs and i have noticed that when my aiptasia are bleached a bit or appear malnourished the berghia seem less active and don't appear dark and healthy. Unfortunately, gut loading any brine or mysis which will then gut load the aiptasia won't help the berghia in any way because the berghia don't process or ingest any undigested food inside of the aiptasia they eat.

Really appreciate the thought!!

Jeremy
 
I recently started a berghia culture. So I can't really comment much on that yet. I have cultured other inverts (insects and spiders) for work and we would have similar problems where large amounts of eggs would no longer hatch. The problems were usually a fungus, bacteria, or virus. Maybe that's a place to explore..
 
The berghia utilize the zooxanthellae within the tissue of the aiptasia for their own metabolic needs

That's pretty interesting. I thought they were able to utilize the whole aptasia. That gives me another thought. What about culturing some wild aptasia for better zooxanthellae? A dock that we launch my friends boat from is loaded with aptasia. They are so thick that I didn't recognise them. They are as thick as a shag carpet. The next time we are there, I can get you some (we are in a mini monsoon season right now, so it may be a while). I know of a shipping method that should make it pretty inexpensive.
 
That's pretty interesting. I thought they were able to utilize the whole aptasia. That gives me another thought. What about culturing some wild aptasia for better zooxanthellae? A dock that we launch my friends boat from is loaded with aptasia. They are so thick that I didn't recognise them. They are as thick as a shag carpet. The next time we are there, I can get you some (we are in a mini monsoon season right now, so it may be a while). I know of a shipping method that should make it pretty inexpensive.

PM sent:) Thanks!

I'm actually having some success I think. I've tried so many different culture methods with very little success that I have nearly given up. Trying to think of all the possible variables regarding the culture process, I decided to significantly alter SG and see what happens. I first tried SG of 1.024 - no difference. Next batch was at 1.020 - no luck. Then then 1.016 and 1.014 - all no luck. The final batch was kept and cultured in water with a SG of 1.010 and I've gotten some juveniles to grow out. I'm not sure why they would do better at such a drastically low salinity, but I've exhausted all other experiments and variable factors so this was a last shot idea. That's a pretty drastic difference in salinity from a reef tank but after acclimating the juveniles back to a SG of 1.026 in one of my holding tanks they seem to be doing great.

In this experiment I also utilized a handful of live sand with each batch and all the fauna that comes with it. It's thought that amphipods could prey on egg strands and newly hatched juveniles, but that doesn't seem to be the case with my experimentation. The containers are literally covered in a reproductive bloom of copepods, amphipods, bristle worms, spaghetti worms, and the full gammet of other reef dwelling critters. In past experiments I had tried various different methods to manage the organic nutrient stability (preventing a spike in ammonia and nitrite). I had kept the culture containers filled with water inside my sump for several weeks to allow for the colonization of bacteria as well as using water from my display and in other "matured and colonized" containers I tried freshly mixed water.

Let me give you all a bit of background about what culture methods I've tried. In my full gammet of experimentation I have tried all of these variables in combination with each other. I've tried many combinations of the following factors:

-matured/cycled tank water vs freshly mixed water vs 1/2 tank water and 1/2 freshly mixed water

-new clean container vs containers that have been in my sump for several weeks to allow for bacterial colonization

-2 inches of sand with the full array of reef fauna vs no sand

- using containers in which the adults have laid the eggs directly in vs moving the egg strands from the adult breeder container to the culture containers

-aeration vs no aeration

- breeders kept in an entirely dedicated system in which there was no other living fauna or flora prior to their addition. I set up a whole system fully dedicated to the living space of the adult breeders and there was never any exposure to fauna or flora that could be detrimental to the health of the berghia or the egg strands. No worms, no copepods, no amphipods, no algae, etc....

- breeders kept in my refugium and egg strands harvested and moved to culture containers

- light 8 hrs per day vs no light

-25% - 50% water changes every day vs MWF vs no water changes until the egg strands grow opaque and appear ready to artificially hatch vs water changes every MWF after the artificial hatch

- artificial hatch vs no artifical hatch

-adding aiptasia to the culture containers the same time as the eggs are added vs waiting to add aiptasia until the egg strands are ready to hatch out (12 days after they've been laid)

- adding GAC to each container vs no GAC.

- the full range of SG from reef salinity all the way down to a SG of 1.010

- I've used a full range of sizes of aiptasia. All the way from tiny 2-3 mm aiptasia up to full grown 1/2 dollar size aiptasia.

-using 1/2 gallon containers vs 1 gallon containers vs 5 gal pails

- a range of temperature from 72-84

There has been no less than at least 500 different variables and combinations of variables that I've tried. I've spent countless hours and at least a full year trying to determine the right combination of variable factors to get the most viable cultures.

This recent "seemingly" successful batch came from a combination of the following factors.

1) I used a 1 gallon container that has been sitting in my sump for a few weeks (allowed to be colonized with bacteria).

2) It was aerated to the level of a hard boil.

3) I used 1 tbs of BRS ROX carbon.

4) The salinity was 1.010 and kept without any significant SG fluctuation.

5) It has a 2 inch sand bed with all kinds of reef fauna (all batches that I've ever had grow out any viable berghia have all contained at least a 2 inch sand bed using sand from my refugium containing the full array of reef fauna).

6) Aiptasia weren't added until 12 days after the eggs have been laid and the aiptasia were about half the size of a pencil eraser.

7) There was an artificial hatch at day 12.

8) all initial water was freshly mixed water and after day one I did 50% water changes every day using exclusively freshly mixed and aerated water.

9) water temp kept at a constant temp of 84 degrees.

10) container was kept under relatively high light for 10 hours per day

This specific batch contained only one large egg strand laid by one of my largest berghia.

If anyone is interested in culturing berghia this is the most successful combination of factors I have come across. Not easy to meet those specific needs but these guys obviously aren't easily cultured. 500+ nearly complete failures and finally I've got a bit of success.


Jeremy
 
This recent "seemingly" successful batch came from a combination of the following factors.

1) I used a 1 gallon container that has been sitting in my sump for a few weeks (allowed to be colonized with bacteria).

2) It was aerated to the level of a hard boil.

3) I used 1 tbs of BRS ROX carbon.

4) The salinity was 1.010 and kept without any significant SG fluctuation.

5) It has a 2 inch sand bed with all kinds of reef fauna (all batches that I've ever had grow out any viable berghia have all contained at least a 2 inch sand bed using sand from my refugium containing the full array of reef fauna).

6) Aiptasia weren't added until 12 days after the eggs have been laid and the aiptasia were about half the size of a pencil eraser.

7) There was an artificial hatch at day 12.

8) all initial water was freshly mixed water and after day one I did 50% water changes every day using exclusively freshly mixed and aerated water.

9) water temp kept at a constant temp of 84 degrees.

10) container was kept under relatively high light for 10 hours per day

Thanks for the detail explanation.

Have you seen Dr. Kempf's work? If so, is there a reason why you chose not to follow them? In particular, I would be interested to see:

1. Remove any sand and use only MFSA water. The intend here is to make sure no bacteria, fungus, virtus or micro-pods were introduced.
2. Continue to perform water change on a daily basis using MSFA water until the Berghia reaches adulthood.
3. During the metamorphosis phrase of culturing, make sure to provide the Berghia its proper food source: Bleached tiny bits of Aiptasia. This is particularly important as juveniles might not have enough energy to grow cerata properly and die prematurely.
 
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