true percula or ocellaris Clowns

cb617

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I have a 55 gal set up for 7 weeks no fish yet just a cleaning crew. I want to add a pair of small clowns and my question is ocellaris or percula. I do not care about the price difference. I have read that ocellaris is a bit more hardy. I guess I like the color of the true percula a bit more. Are there any other things to cansider and how much more delicate is the percula? I have read a bunch about both and gotten some conflicting info so any help would be greatly appreciated

Chuck
 
I would go with the Ocellaris just because they are more hardy. If your provide your Ocellaris with a rich diet, they can be quite colorful.
 
I wish that I could give some advise to you, but I am not convinced that there is a differance getween a perc and a occel. The only convincing argument I have heard is that the only true differance between the two is the way they are spelled. I have 1 "occelaris" and it looks like the splitting image of many "perculas" I have seen and owned.
 
I have no advise only know that all the percs I have seen seem more fragile than the others.
 
The difference between Percula and Ocellaris is (and for the life of me I cannot remember where I read this...or the exact details...) that the Percula's have 9 spines in their front dorsal section and Ocellaris have 10...I think...Or maybe it's switched...or different numbers...Basically all i REALLY remember is that there was a difference of one dorsal spine between the two.

I do have a book that suggests Ocellaris and Percula may just be different color variations of the same species...but it's an older book.
 
I have owned many different pairs of both, and have not had a problem with either. The best suggestion is get which ever one appeals to you. Best of luck to you and your future "Clownfish".
 
SLAKKER, I have heard that too but I have heard differant as well. Either way, The key to a healthy clown is try not to buy one that just got in the LFS. It can have problems that will come to light once you get it home. A quarantine tank is a wise idea as well. Sometimes our fish need a little time to adjust and get in the habit of eating regularly and not living in a death trap shipping bag.
 
An ocellaris is more hardy. The above statement about dorsal spines is true...don't remember if the numbers he gave are exact, but you can do a google search to figure that out.

There are many differences in the two that were not mentioned.

1) Location. they do not come from the same waters...in fact, their localities do no even overlap.

2) Breeding. Oc's breed pretty much on the same cycle as perculas, but that is where the similarity stops. Their hatching is usually faster than perculas, their period to MMP is much faster than percula, and their patterning and colors form much faster than percula. In fact, many percs will take over a year to gain adult patterns, whereas many oc's will be ready for sale at 6 months.

3) Color. This is a generality and is many times not a standard, just good reference. Most oc's will have a stable color by 6 months(there are exceptions like the B&W's). their orange will be a lighter color and the space between the orange and the white will usually have a very thin line of black that will never grow as they age. Percula's will have the black usually grow with their bodies. They are usually a darker, and to me more appealling, color orange.

4) Hardiness. This has been discussed, but I'd like to add. Yes, oc's are considered a more hardy fish, but I think this is a little bit false. I think this comes from breeders who were breeding both percs and ocs and saw the quick MMP, the higher ratio of viable offspring because of the quick larval period, less cull count due to deformities, misbarring, etc. I think that when the fish are the same full juvi size and when tank bred(outside factors of disease, transport, stress, etc will alter these ideas completely) they are both as hardy as one another. if you care for your fish and don't put it through a whole lot of stress, percs should do absolutely fine in your tank.
 
Also, the reason behind the cheaper price tag and the higher quantity of ocs over percs is due to the long MMP as discussed in the previous post. More breeders choose ocs for this reason and have to hold the young for a lot less time(many times less than half the time of percs)...this means less breeding space needed, quicker reuse of tanks, more money faster, even at a lower price tag.

That is also the reason I like, have, and will breed percs over occ's. I'm not in it for the money, I have the time, and I personally like them better. Three of my four pairs of clowns are percs and 0 of them are occ's.

It really all comes down to personal preference.
 
count your spines, people!

The problem is, that ocs and percs have a range in dorsal spines, so sometimes it really is difficult to tell...

percula 9-10

ocellaris 10-11

So you see, both percs and ocs can have the same number of dorsal spines... :(

Wilkerson writes in her book that juvi percs will orient themselves toward the light w/ their dorsal fin (i think it's the dorsal), so if you buy tank-raised percs, you can be pretty sure they're percs... :)
 
Lol...I guess the only way to be absolutely sure based on spines is if you've got a fish with 9 or 11.
 
I have both, I wouldn't get rid of either. While my percs were very fragile when I got them because of their size, they seem to be fine now. I'd say look around and see what's available.
 
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