Ttm idea

[fishorfishin]

So I have access to acquire wholesailed fish, and would like to try a few.

I have a 155/fish only tank, that I treated bare bottom with minimal rock a fee months back for ich.

I ran copper safe 8/weeks, then prazi pro for two weeks, three treatments 5 days apart.

I have not added anythingto the tank since then. So obviously I don't want to risk adding things without at.

I have a 29 gallon tank empty, with penguin hob power filter, 150/watt heater as well 600 gph power head.

I can get these fish tomorrow, so I anticipated this a week ago, I took a giant sponge and pieces of PVC, and out them in my sump for a week or so to seed.

I can do a water change tonight, and out 30 gallons of tank water in my in qt. I know its best to start clean, but why waste he water, especially if the fish are going yo end up in the tank (where water is coming from)/anyhow.

I can do copper for 3 weeks, or after 72 hours, move fish yo bucket, clean 29/ real well with bleach, dechlorinize it, and out fish back in for 72/hours.

Fish will be 4/ inch powder blue and 5 inch naso.

Just want to make sure I understand concept, essentially let them stay in there 3 days, remove, clean tank good, airndry with fan, take 30 more gallons out of fish tank. No part of at will hit display.

Let me know what y'all think.
.thabks

 

[snorvich]

I strongly recommend not doing copper in conjunction with tank transfer. There are various reasons for that, but the most important one is that fish need to be in clean water (no copper) for a minimum of 4 weeks to allow masked parasites to exhibit. Just my opinion.

The following are the most important points for administering TTM properly:
+ Transfers need to occur every 72 hours OR less, never more
+ The total number of days for all transfer cycles is 12 or more.
+ A minimum of four transfers is required, with more required if doing transfers more frequently than every 72 hours
+ Time of day of transfers does not matter, provided no more than 72 hours elapse between transfers (ignore what you think you know or have heard about mornings being required)
+ Between transfers, the tank and equipment should be cleaned (with bleach or vinegar and water) and allowed to completely dry AND stay completely dry for 24 hours OR longer

 

[fishorfishin]

ok, so the idea of removing fish from 29, placing them in a rubber maid for a few hours while I completely rinse 29 out with bleach and air dry is not going to work?

also, is it one fish per qt for ttm, or can there be more>? I plan on getting naso, pbt, and orange shoulder.

And what about the idea of using tank water to fill tanks, just because if my tank is in fact still contaminated, it wont matter since these new fish are in fact going into this tank when its all said and done.

Figure I can use the water from water changes, instead of just blowing the water down the drain.

Thanks

 

[snorvich]

ok, so the idea of removing fish from 29, placing them in a rubber maid for a few hours while I completely rinse 29 out with bleach and air dry is not going to work?

also, is it one fish per qt for ttm, or can there be more>? I plan on getting naso, pbt, and orange shoulder.

And what about the idea of using tank water to fill tanks, just because if my tank is in fact still contaminated, it wont matter since these new fish are in fact going into this tank when its all said and done.

Figure I can use the water from water changes, instead of just blowing the water down the drain.

Thanks

Multiple fish will work if your quarantine is of sufficient size. I do not recommend using tank water from an existing display unless you are 100.00% sure it is disease and parasite free.

 

[fishorfishin]

Multiple fish will work if your quarantine is of sufficient size. I do not recommend using tank water from an existing display unless you are 100.00% sure it is disease and parasite free.

Bit confused, you can ttm multiple fish in the same tank? Meaning have all 3 fish in same tank, no drugs, and before 72 hours is up, move all 3 in same tank, to different tank, altogether?

And lastly, if ultimately all of these ttm fish are going into my display in 4 weeks, and I am using the tank water from the tank to fill ttm, why does it need to be disease free?

Even if I use new water now, eventually, in 3 weeks, they are going to be in that display, so whether ich is in the display or not, these fish will going into it and exposed to it.

I don't believe there is, however, if there were to be be, they will come in contact with it shortly.

Thanks

 

[Deinonych]

Bit confused, you can ttm multiple fish in the same tank? Meaning have all 3 fish in same tank, no drugs, and before 72 hours is up, move all 3 in same tank, to different tank, altogether?

And lastly, if ultimately all of these ttm fish are going into my display in 4 weeks, and I am using the tank water from the tank to fill ttm, why does it need to be disease free?

Even if I use new water now, eventually, in 3 weeks, they are going to be in that display, so whether ich is in the display or not, these fish will going into it and exposed to it.

I don't believe there is, however, if there were to be be, they will come in contact with it shortly.

Thanks

Yes, you can run multiple fish through TTM at a time, within reason. You need to ensure the water quality doesn't deteriorate significantly over the 72 hour period. That said, 2-3 fish at a time would be the max IMO.

As far as your DT goes, if you believe it is NOT disease-free, then using display water for TTM defeats the purpose, as the fish could be infected at any time. Likewise, there's no sense in performing TTM if they will be going into an infected display ultimately.

Bottom line: if you believe your DT is not free of disease, the only way to prevent reinfection is to remove all fish and leave it fallow (fishless) for 72 days. All fish will need to be treated accordingly before moving them back after the fallow period.

 

[fishorfishin]

Chris, exactly my thought. I believe it is disease free, but who really ever knows for certain. I coppered and prazi pro the tank a few months back, but there could be copper resistant ich, contamination by my other tank 15 feet away(moisture)

My point was using tank water can help me prevent incoming parasite from whlesaler from getting into display. If my tank has it, well then the new fish would get it anyway.

 

[Deinonych]

My point was using tank water can help me prevent incoming parasite from whlesaler from getting into display. If my tank has it, well then the new fish would get it anyway.

I guess I don't follow your logic. If you think your tank has crypto (or whatever else), then the best course of action is to leave it fallow for 72 days if you want the peace of mind. Anything else is Russian Roulette. Personally, I couldn't live with the uncertainty, but everyone has their own levels of risk tolerance.

Bear in mind that crypto is the only one possible disease. Even worse is velvet or brook, and you definitely need a quarantine protocol to ensure those diseases aren't present.

 

[fishorfishin]

Haven't seen anything in display in 4 to 5 months. No signs, no deaths.

With that said, would I put my life on it betting it had nothing? No way.

Assuming it is clean, I can see I can use the water. Plus it will benefit my tank by the frequent water changes, lower organics.