TTM prophylactically

[wooden_reefer]

I don't do TTM but I always assume light infestation and aim certainly to eradicate ich.

The eradication of ich is necessary and is a matter of rigor of the procedure, not observation. Ich can be in the gills and infestation can be too light to be observed.

 

[Seths Dad]

I've always wanted to ask how no parasites are transfered with the fish net, container, etc used to catch the fish? Don't parasites get suspended in the water column while trying to catch the fish? I know TTM works, but just want to know if I am missing something.

 

[m0nkie]

I've always wanted to ask how no parasites are transfered with the fish net, container, etc used to catch the fish? Don't parasites get suspended in the water column while trying to catch the fish? I know TTM works, but just want to know if I am missing something.

either don't use the same set.. or wash and dry the set for a few days.

I clean all my equipment and put them in the yard for sun dry.. after 48hrs, I re-use them.

if you are really paranoid, wash it with vinegar or bleach.

 

[wooden_reefer]

I've always wanted to ask how no parasites are transfered with the fish net, container, etc used to catch the fish? Don't parasites get suspended in the water column while trying to catch the fish? I know TTM works, but just want to know if I am missing something.

I don't use net to catch fish.

 

[Seths Dad]

I don't use net to catch fish.

What do you use? And how is no water transfered from one tank to the other when the fish is transfered? Maybe I'm over thinking this???

 

[m0nkie]

What do you use? And how is no water transfered from one tank to the other when the fish is transfered? Maybe I'm over thinking this???

something like this but smaller... just scoop the fish out.

or I just use my hands sometimes.. water slips out of my finger and I put the fish in the new tank

 

[wooden_reefer]

What do you use? And how is no water transfered from one tank to the other when the fish is transfered? Maybe I'm over thinking this???

I use a very large clear bag stretched open with my hands and move very SLOWLY and do not set fish into panic. The fish is induced to swim into it.

To do so, I commit myself a certain amount of time and do not take chances. It evens out in my favor in terms of total time spent.

I remove most corals and place in containers. Also a fraction of water.

I have a stack of several containers from wal-mart for this purpose.

Unplug ac first.

 

[firemountain]

I am torn with the decision to prophylactically treat with PP. The reason for this is that I have already gone through the tank transfer method and my clowns have been quarantine for the past few weeks. They appear to be very healthy and are eating well. My biggest concern is that while dosing PP, the fish tend not to eat and I am concerned that they are going to get stressed.

I have also read that there are numerous owners who have lost healthy fish after the tank transfer method in quarantine due to dosing PP.

Would someone be able to share with me their experience with dosing PP and having their fish negatively react to the medication.

I guess my inhibitions are partly due to never having dosed PP before, and just trying to make sure my clowns do not get put through an unnecessary medication.

Then there is also the flipside knowing that clowns were housed in the LFS with Tangs, whom I know are notorious for getting ICH. I will always do TTM and QT, but just worried when you hear guys who lost their fish due to PP.

 

[Deinonych]

I am torn with the decision to prophylactically treat with PP. The reason for this is that I have already gone through the tank transfer method and my clowns have been quarantine for the past few weeks. They appear to be very healthy and are eating well. My biggest concern is that while dosing PP, the fish tend not to eat and I am concerned that they are going to get stressed.

I have also read that there are numerous owners who have lost healthy fish after the tank transfer method in quarantine due to dosing PP.

Would someone be able to share with me their experience with dosing PP and having their fish negatively react to the medication.

I guess my inhibitions are partly due to never having dosed PP before, and just trying to make sure my clowns do not get put through an unnecessary medication.

Then there is also the flipside knowing that clowns were housed in the LFS with Tangs, whom I know are notorious for getting ICH. I will always do TTM and QT, but just worried when you hear guys who lost their fish due to PP.

As long as you dose prazi correctly, you shouldn't have any problems. The only time I have ever had a problem with fish not eating was when I accidentally overdosed prazi. A quick water change remedied that in short order.

 

[DDon]

I am torn with the decision to prophylactically treat with PP. The reason for this is that I have already gone through the tank transfer method and my clowns have been quarantine for the past few weeks. They appear to be very healthy and are eating well. My biggest concern is that while dosing PP, the fish tend not to eat and I am concerned that they are going to get stressed.

I have also read that there are numerous owners who have lost healthy fish after the tank transfer method in quarantine due to dosing PP.

Would someone be able to share with me their experience with dosing PP and having their fish negatively react to the medication.

I guess my inhibitions are partly due to never having dosed PP before, and just trying to make sure my clowns do not get put through an unnecessary medication.

Then there is also the flipside knowing that clowns were housed in the LFS with Tangs, whom I know are notorious for getting ICH. I will always do TTM and QT, but just worried when you hear guys who lost their fish due to PP.

I personally have never had any issues or losses from dosing PP. I also have not experienced the reported loss of appetite and the fish eat normally when being treated. Wrasses can be sensitive to it from what I have read so I am extra careful with those, ensuring I do not overdose at all. I dose PP during TT on the second and fourth transfers. Just my experience for what it is worth.

By the way PP is for flukes and has nothing to do with the treatment of ich. You are covered there with TT.

 

[firemountain]

I personally have never had any issues or losses from dosing PP. I also have not experienced the reported loss of appetite and the fish eat normally when being treated. Wrasses can be sensitive to it from what I have read so I am extra careful with those, ensuring I do not overdose at all. I dose PP during TT on the second and fourth transfers. Just my experience for what it is worth.

By the way PP is for flukes and has nothing to do with the treatment of ich. You are covered there with TT.

Since it was my first time doing the TTM, I didn't want to dose PP as well....just trying to play it cautious. I wanted to make sure they were eating first.

Anyway.....I should have been more clear.....I knew that PP didn't treat for ICH. I meant that with the clowns being housed with a fish that is notorious for getting ICH, that I wanted to try and eliminate one disease first before I moved onto treating another disease. I guess that is the rookie TTM guy in me talking.

With dosing PP, I know I have to remove carbon from my tank and turn off the skimmer. I am assuming that I should do a bigger water change as well before I dose?

Also...what's your thought on dosing half the recommended amount of PP on the first day, and as long as the fish don't show any signs of stress or not eating, then dose the remaining 12/24 hours later?

Thanks for your help and input

 

[DDon]

Since it was my first time doing the TTM, I didn't want to dose PP as well....just trying to play it cautious. I wanted to make sure they were eating first.

Anyway.....I should have been more clear.....I knew that PP didn't treat for ICH. I meant that with the clowns being housed with a fish that is notorious for getting ICH, that I wanted to try and eliminate one disease first before I moved onto treating another disease. I guess that is the rookie TTM guy in me talking.

With dosing PP, I know I have to remove carbon from my tank and turn off the skimmer. I am assuming that I should do a bigger water change as well before I dose?

Also...what's your thought on dosing half the recommended amount of PP on the first day, and as long as the fish don't show any signs of stress or not eating, then dose the remaining 12/24 hours later?

Thanks for your help and input

I did things the same way when I started with TT. TT followed by prazipro in QT and think most people do the same thing, nothing wrong with it what so ever. Being somewhat lazy, I suppose, is why I switched to dosing during TT. Was easier to remove the medication nice I was transferring tanks and draining other tank anyways.

Remove carbon and stop skimming per directions. No reason to do extra large water change before dosing that I am aware of. You will need to do large water changes and add carbon back in after the 5-7 day treatment period though to remove the medication. You will want to follow up with a second dose about 5 days later.

As far as starting at half the dosage strength and increasing to the full dose 12-24 hours later; the only issue I see is a potential loss of efficacy due to the full dosage not being administered for the full period. Perhaps someone with more knowledge will chime in on that. I say that if you are more comfortable going that route then go for it. I understand you wanting tone conservative with a medication you have no experience with. I would shoot for the 12 hours over the 24 hours to bring to full strength. Not an expert here and just my opinions.

FYI, I have dosed at between 1 1/2 to 2 times normal dose (can't remember exact dosage I used) on one batch of fish due to a particular fish still showing symptoms after normal course. I had no issues even with this higher dosage though they did seem less aggressive eating so seems there was some appetite suppression.
Hope this helps.

 

[firemountain]

I did things the same way when I started with TT. TT followed by prazipro in QT and think most people do the same thing, nothing wrong with it what so ever. Being somewhat lazy, I suppose, is why I switched to dosing during TT. Was easier to remove the medication nice I was transferring tanks and draining other tank anyways.

Remove carbon and stop skimming per directions. No reason to do extra large water change before dosing that I am aware of. You will need to do large water changes and add carbon back in after the 5-7 day treatment period though to remove the medication. You will want to follow up with a second dose about 5 days later.

As far as starting at half the dosage strength and increasing to the full dose 12-24 hours later; the only issue I see is a potential loss of efficacy due to the full dosage not being administered for the full period. Perhaps someone with more knowledge will chime in on that. I say that if you are more comfortable going that route then go for it. I understand you wanting tone conservative with a medication you have no experience with. I would shoot for the 12 hours over the 24 hours to bring to full strength. Not an expert here and just my opinions.

FYI, I have dosed at between 1 1/2 to 2 times normal dose (can't remember exact dosage I used) on one batch of fish due to a particular fish still showing symptoms after normal course. I had no issues even with this higher dosage though they did seem less aggressive eating so seems there was some appetite suppression.
Hope this helps.

Definitely a big help... Thanks. I will just do a regular water change for now and dose PP as per instructions.

In regards to adding carbon to remove the medication.....can I get away with using half of a Chemipure bag in between the first and second PP dose?? That way I don't have to worry about spending extra $$& and using 2 Chemipure bags, which I would assume need to be tossed after each dose is complete.

Or....can I get away with using the 1 Chemipure bag for both treatments, and just removing it from my filter during the dosing period?

Thanks.

 

[DDon]

Definitely a big help... Thanks. I will just do a regular water change for now and dose PP as per instructions.

In regards to adding carbon to remove the medication.....can I get away with using half of a Chemipure bag in between the first and second PP dose?? That way I don't have to worry about spending extra $$& and using 2 Chemipure bags, which I would assume need to be tossed after each dose is complete.

Or....can I get away with using the 1 Chemipure bag for both treatments, and just removing it from my filter during the dosing period?

Thanks.

I've never used chemipure myself but looks to be a blend of activated carbon and ion exchange resin. Not sure how big the bags are or how much media there is in one. With that said I would imagine there would be enough in half a bag to remove the medication since you will be doing large water change as well. I would opt for that option over using same bag twice. I always toss the GAC I use each time.