Tusk and lion

[Juggler]

I got a beast of a tusk today he is about 10"
i wanted to know if i could keep a volitan lionfish with him?
the one i am looking at is about half the tusk's body length.
will he nip the feathery fins?
please answer soon the lion at my LFS is super nice with big antennas flags on its spine

 

[Absint Reefer]

I think it would be fine but you may want to find out the tusks disposition before you add anything else to your tank

 

[Juggler]

yea, noticed he isnt picking on my shark, but he seems stressed from shipping because he is swimming somewhat sideways at times.
does this sound normal?

 

[Absint Reefer]

I would definetly keep an eye on him but he has been in a bag all day so he's probably just freaking out still. Off subject but where did you get such a large one at?

 

[Juggler]

he may not be 10 maybe 8/9

but with all my mad money i got no problem having one jacked from the ocean and sent to me right away.

lol just kidding
i traded a friend a filter and he just made some calls and got this wild caught shipped in after 3 days.

His site is pretty new and not much, but you can get to him, super nice dude.
www.saltwaterfishguys.com

 

[Juggler]

oh and i have been watching him after lights out and seems alot better. i think the halides were disorienting and shock of restricting walls. this fish really deserves to be in the ocean oh well.

 

[JustinReef]

Yeah I personally do not agree with taking fish from the ocean when they are already adult. I think its very sad and they often do not do as well anyways I have found from experience. I think younger fish adapt easier and do not get as depressed.

Do you have a pic of him? Is he QT'd???

 

[Juggler]

he seems better now and no, no QT.
i feel bad but he does have quite some room in the 180.
i hope to upgrade someday so we'll see if he can just learn to relax.

 

[FishyMel]

IMO qt isn't effective. Moving a large fish into a 20 gallon tank isn't going to do anything but stress them out more, then you move it again. That is 2 unnecessary stresses that will most likely do more harm than good. The best thing to do is to buy them from a reliable source and make sure the fish with it are healthy and then put it on hold for a few days. JMO.

Anyway, post some pics!

 

[pinkie]

I have a tusk and a lion together and have never had an issue between the two. They get along just fine.

 

[JustinReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11586560#post11586560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FishyMel
IMO qt isn't effective. Moving a large fish into a 20 gallon tank isn't going to do anything but stress them out more, then you move it again. That is 2 unnecessary stresses that will most likely do more harm than good. The best thing to do is to buy them from a reliable source and make sure the fish with it are healthy and then put it on hold for a few days. JMO.

Anyway, post some pics!

I disagree 100%. Besides, part of the responsibility of keeping large fish is ALWAYS having a QT large enough for them. I have puffers so a 65G QT was necessary. Wait until you add that fish with a disease that wipes out your tank and you will change your mind. Doesn't really matter how reliable the source is either, disease is present in every store or online vendor.

 

[Juggler]

yeah i dont know this guy is too big for anything less than 6' as is.
100 gal qt?
him in the box earlier crappy pic.

 

[Juggler]

yeah thats another thing to beat the QT paradox...
why not just buy fish that have been at the store for a while?
put a deposit on them i do it all the time just this guy was too good to pass on.

 

[JustinReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11587175#post11587175 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Juggler
yeah thats another thing to beat the QT paradox...
why not just buy fish that have been at the store for a while?
put a deposit on them i do it all the time just this guy was too good to pass on.

Because thats still not QT. It has to be a closed system that is disease free. Stores do not generally have that. One LFS near me will QT fish for you properly but it costs a lot.

I am not trying to be difficult but if people just QT'd fish properly, there would be a higher success rate in tanks and less fish dying daily. But the problem is, people either don't believe in it or think its not necessary...oh well. Just not fair to the fish in your tank or the new fish going in...in my opinion.

He very nice! Looks like a great fish!

 

[Lion359]

I keep a tusk with my 2 volitans without any issues, tusks are usally pretty reserved, and they keep to themselves.

 

[AquaKnight]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11587113#post11587113 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by justinpsmith
I disagree 100%. Besides, part of the responsibility of keeping large fish is ALWAYS having a QT large enough for them. I have puffers so a 65G QT was necessary. Wait until you add that fish with a disease that wipes out your tank and you will change your mind. Doesn't really matter how reliable the source is either, disease is present in every store or online vendor.

Agree 1000% It's truly heart breaking.

A 55gal is a very effective QT. The thing is you have to make sure the tank is somewhere calm, ie not in your living room, and keep the lights off for the first few days.

 

[Juggler]

So how long do you really want to QT for?

besides my nice LFS is one of the best ever. they run copper in all their FO tanks and drip acclimates everything.
so why isnt that bringing home a QT'd fish?

 

[Juggler]

 

[johno4]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11588888#post11588888 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Juggler
So how long do you really want to QT for?

besides my nice LFS is one of the best ever. they run copper in all their FO tanks and drip acclimates everything.
so why isnt that bringing home a QT'd fish?

Typically, you would want to qt for at least a month. So I guess if your lfs runs copper at appropriate levels you would want to have them hold him for a month. Any period of time shorter than that I woundnt consider a full qt.

I have had one fish wipe out my tank and I lost some pretty pricey fish due to not qt. You have to remember that our closed systems make it really easy for a parasite to reach really high concentrations. Such conditions a fish would never encounter on its own in the wild.

By the way that is a good lookin fish and the display looks very nice. Good luck with him.

 

[JustinReef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11592389#post11592389 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by johno4
Typically, you would want to qt for at least a month. So I guess if your lfs runs copper at appropriate levels you would want to have them hold him for a month. Any period of time shorter than that I woundnt consider a full qt.

I have had one fish wipe out my tank and I lost some pretty pricey fish due to not qt. You have to remember that our closed systems make it really easy for a parasite to reach really high concentrations. Such conditions a fish would never encounter on its own in the wild.

By the way that is a good lookin fish and the display looks very nice. Good luck with him.

Well said.

I hope you don't take the QT suggestion the wrong way. I don't mean it as a personal attack on you, I just like to mention it any chance I get in hopes that people will start to listen and do it. Its just very heartbreaking to see all the fish in this hobby dying because people refuse to QT and even claim its more harmful than good. I used to work at a LFS and people will justify it in any way that makes them feel ok about not QTing fish but its never really a good practice. I know that I have killed more fish than I care to think of in my first few years of fish keeping because I didn't QT. The really sad thing is that it would always be the last fish I had planned to add to the tank and I would loose almost all the others. The more fish you have in your tank the easier parasites can thrive, so by adding that one last fish, you can often overstress a system and cause an outbreak. Not that you are doing this in this case...

Nice display you have there too. He does look pretty big for even a 180G, your right!