mandm25254
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thanks every one so the only way is alot of asking ppl and research to find out if its a true tryee peice
tyree
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cartman5579
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i would love to know how to buy a frag from Steve himself. Where does "reef keep" himself, as in what state? Can you visit his aquaculture tanks?
gregm5
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you can contact him through his website www.reeffarmers.com
he's in southern california but does travel quite a bit to coral tradeshows and such
This must be some of that 'sparsely unfounded animosity' that other guy was talking about.
So...good doctor, how is captively propogating attractive coral detrimental to the hobby. Please feel free to elaborate on how else this disgusts you. Which, by the way, is extremely arrogant on your part:rolleye1:
tacocat
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Most folks don't realize this. He is a nice person.
Actually this has been going on for some 10 plus years or so. It is actually what DROVE the "hobby" in the early years, and unfortunately, this has been lost over the years. The desire to keep SPS and hunt down the best of the best started in So-Cal and has led us to where we are now. Check out the dates on his his first website (April 1998). He used to sell corals on that website a long time ago.
http://www.dynamicecomorphology.com/
If this behavior is detrimental to the "hobby", it would have wrecked it a long time ago.
I think the market dictates the price, not the farmer. If his corals weren't just a little different than the rest, in all reality they just wouldn't sell.
I am one of those freaks that happens to like his corals and have around 20 of them now. I only purchase the ones that you really can't get anywhere else. If I could find another coral that looks exactly like the Purple Monster at a fraction of the price, I would buy it. As it stands, there are no no others that look like his does, so the real deal is what I have.
I guess I just figure if he can get those prices for his stuff, why not do it. The market is more to blame for the prices than him.
I am one of those freaks that happens to like his corals and have around 20 of them now. I only purchase the ones that you really can't get anywhere else. If I could find another coral that looks exactly like the Purple Monster at a fraction of the price, I would buy it. As it stands, there are no no others that look like his does, so the real deal is what I have.
I guess I just figure if he can get those prices for his stuff, why not do it. The market is more to blame for the prices than him.
kev apsley
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Precisely!
Frankly, if you don't like him putting his name on the corals and calling them LE then it's very simple, don't buy them! I happen to think most of the corals he tracks down are very desirable and beautiful, plus they are aquacultured which is a major plus...
I think people are overlaping two different areas of thought here. It's one thing to name something like the purple monster, to have a lineage, etc. Let's face it, we just don't see corals like that come in very often, if at all. On the other hand, when an establishment gets a coral, slaps a "rare blueberry with a twist" name on it, and announces impending "release dates" for frags (essentially hyping the coral), when I see pant loads of the same cultured coral at all the LFS, then IMO this establishment is doing nothing to further the keeping of rare and desireable corals, and is simply trying to make a bigger buck (which, BTW, is completely their right).
Agreed
. That is part of knowing who you are buying from. There are plenty of folks using "rare" in their descriptions when the coral is not "rare" at all. It gets a little old but I just move on. I like what I like. My favorite coral in my tank has been around for at least 6-7 years and is widely distributed, it doesn't have the LE distinction but it does have a lineage that goes back a ways. I also love many of my LE corals, I have picked the corals I have for aesthetics and hardineess as well as for trading value. I have had a blast trading with people and getting a more diverse collection.
I find that a lot of the corals Steve has tracked down are quite hardy and beautiful. What a great combo
. This seems like it can only help the hobby. I figure that 95% of the sps corals in my tanks are 95% from other peoples tanks. This is pretty cool. I prefer this to wild caught pieces, just my preference.
Serioussnaps
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No one has mentioned Steve's methods at all. I find that discouraging considering he was a pioneer in this. I spent an hour late night last night actually reading over some of his methodologies as I couldn't sleep. Very cool stuff! Some of it I find to be "radical bs"(my thoughts), but some it I find merit in and incorporate it into what I do. It seems he is a very creative reefkeeper and he does so successfully....very respectable.
One side note......most of the Tyree peices didnt "come" from other's tanks. Ask yourself this: Where did the coral come from before it was in that person's tank? THEY ALL CAME FROM THE OCEAN AT SOME POINT....the coral didn't just sprout up spontaneously in anyone's tank one day!
Now I am off to bid on the miami hurricane chalice that is around 260 bucks! (yeah right)
One side note......most of the Tyree peices didnt "come" from other's tanks. Ask yourself this: Where did the coral come from before it was in that person's tank? THEY ALL CAME FROM THE OCEAN AT SOME POINT....the coral didn't just sprout up spontaneously in anyone's tank one day!
Now I am off to bid on the miami hurricane chalice that is around 260 bucks! (yeah right)
I agree. I have spent hours reading on cryptic zones and natural filtration. To a point we all have cryptic zones in our tank, we just don't see them. I am setting up to establish one from an extra tank, and one of his kits.
The is one thing I really like about him, he will sell you the sponges, squirts, etc that it takes to duplicate his "type" of tank and tell you how to do it.
He could very well keep it all a secret, but doesn't. That's not to say you will end up with exactly what he has, but you could. He might have just ended up with something that came together perfectly by accident, but he knew what pieces to add where to get a result that nobody else really has, yet.
mandm25254
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now i have a new question some one has spoken of diffrent methods he uses would any one no what some of these are? and thanks every one for all this great info
Look up "Natural Cryptic Filtration " or "benthic zone".
http://www.dynamicecomorphology.com/publishmain.htm
You can read for hours on this stuff.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1020248&highlight=cryptic+zone
http://www.dynamicecomorphology.com/publishmain.htm
You can read for hours on this stuff.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1020248&highlight=cryptic+zone
Serioussnaps
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I am not sure if he still does this....that and he has multiple tanks. One thing different he does in at least one of his tanks is he runs skimmerless.
SKIMMERLESS:hmm1:
dukes707
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lets face it Steve is an OG in the reefkeeping hobby. successfully pioneering a lot of the methods we all use in our own reef tanks. much respect to a man who helped get this hobby off the ground and make it so popular. much of the basic knowledge we all utilize in this hobby was discovered, refined, and made common practice by this man. essentially he made reefing possible to the non-scientific aquatic life loving layman currently in the hobby today.
Thanks Steve for all the hard work time, money and stress you put up with to make it all possible for me and a myriad of others.
I agree that applying a fruity name and limited edition nomenclature and release dates to some corals, unnecessarily ups the price of said corals, but its simply supply and demand. he doesnt set the price for his corals; you and I and the rest of the market does by bidding on them and setting that price. its not steves fault, but the anxious reefers that HAVE to be the first one or one of the first to have that particular coral.
now what i dont like is when people overcharge for a coral. (i do realize its their perogative, and i dont have to buy it, just making a point so bare with me) knowing that a coral is limited and rather hard to find some charge almost double for it. and what does that do...of course the guy who buys it is gonna want to sell his frags of that coral for the same price, if not more than what he got it for. do yo usee how this just make the hobby more expensive?
i am all for trading corals LE or not. IMHO limited is only limited cause people dont want to spread it around. wouldnt be so limited if folks would barted a little more and sell a little less. there have been a number of corals that have been totally lost to the world cause the few people that had them kept them to themselves and not spread it around to other hobbiests, very unfortunate. if i get a special coral i like to frag it as soon as i can and get it out to a few friends at leaste, so that if i loose my colony it isnt totally lost forever. farming helps keep the hobby alive, and steve tyree is one of the best if not the best coral farmer around.
people are going to continue to set outragous prices for corals to make a hot dollar, and there is nothing/no one to stop them, but thats their hustle. all you can do is not buy into the hype. if to you a coral isnt worth the price you see it for, dont buy it. but rest assured another will. but hey to each his own...cant hate the player, hate the game right. anyway sorry for the rant, just my 2 cents.
thanks again Steve.
Thanks Steve for all the hard work time, money and stress you put up with to make it all possible for me and a myriad of others.
I agree that applying a fruity name and limited edition nomenclature and release dates to some corals, unnecessarily ups the price of said corals, but its simply supply and demand. he doesnt set the price for his corals; you and I and the rest of the market does by bidding on them and setting that price. its not steves fault, but the anxious reefers that HAVE to be the first one or one of the first to have that particular coral.
now what i dont like is when people overcharge for a coral. (i do realize its their perogative, and i dont have to buy it, just making a point so bare with me) knowing that a coral is limited and rather hard to find some charge almost double for it. and what does that do...of course the guy who buys it is gonna want to sell his frags of that coral for the same price, if not more than what he got it for. do yo usee how this just make the hobby more expensive?
i am all for trading corals LE or not. IMHO limited is only limited cause people dont want to spread it around. wouldnt be so limited if folks would barted a little more and sell a little less. there have been a number of corals that have been totally lost to the world cause the few people that had them kept them to themselves and not spread it around to other hobbiests, very unfortunate. if i get a special coral i like to frag it as soon as i can and get it out to a few friends at leaste, so that if i loose my colony it isnt totally lost forever. farming helps keep the hobby alive, and steve tyree is one of the best if not the best coral farmer around.
people are going to continue to set outragous prices for corals to make a hot dollar, and there is nothing/no one to stop them, but thats their hustle. all you can do is not buy into the hype. if to you a coral isnt worth the price you see it for, dont buy it. but rest assured another will. but hey to each his own...cant hate the player, hate the game right. anyway sorry for the rant, just my 2 cents.
thanks again Steve.
