Update on my tank that "had" ich

[55semireef]

Hey guys, I have made a thread a while back stating that my Purple and Blue Tang had ich because it was brought in either by liverock, crabs or something that could transport ich. No fish were brought in recently at the time. All parameters were fine. No ammonia, no nitrites, no nitrates and little phosphates.

Well anyways, my Purple and Blue Tang were diagnosed with ich immediately. I only took those two out of my tank and left my Yellow Watcmen Goby and my Tomato Clown in the tank. Only because I couldn't catch those two and that I was going on vacation the next day. Well many said that if I didn't take out my last two fish that they would eventually fall to ich also. Well its been 5 weeks since and no signs at ALL. Not trying to call anyone out but Steven Pro and someone that had an aviatar as a falcon(some type of predatory bird) promised that my tomato and goby would get it. Too bad I don't have the threads saved to show you guys. But no signs of ich still. Hmmm...wonder why.

Btw, my Purple Tang is happily alive but my blue tang was killed by my Purple in the hospital tank. Purple tang spiked him all over with his surgeon. It was too late for me to save the Blue Tang after I realized that he had been attacked.


Like I said I am not trying to call anyone out but it was basically a lot of members vs me in the debate whether ich would still come back to haunt me. And no I did not treat the tank with any chemicle and I neither did hypo salinity for I have a plethora of snails, crabs and its a reef tank with a Bluecarpet anemone. Tank was left untouched and there was no immediate water changes.

 

[Steven Pro]

Re: Update on my tank that "had" ich

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7910662#post7910662 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Hey guys, I have made a thread a while back stating that my Purple and Blue Tang had ich because it was brought in either by liverock, crabs or something that could transport ich. No fish were brought in recently at the time. All parameters were fine. No ammonia, no nitrites, no nitrates and little phosphates.

Well anyways, my Purple and Blue Tang were diagnosed with ich immediately. I only took those two out of my tank and left my Yellow Watcmen Goby and my Tomato Clown in the tank. Only because I couldn't catch those two and that I was going on vacation the next day. Well many said that if I didn't take out my last two fish that they would eventually fall to ich also. Well its been 5 weeks since and no signs at ALL. Not trying to call anyone out but Steven Pro and someone that had an aviatar as a falcon(some type of predatory bird) promised that my tomato and goby would get it. Too bad I don't have the threads saved to show you guys. But no signs of ich still. Hmmm...wonder why.

Btw, my Purple Tang is happily alive but my blue tang was killed by my Purple in the hospital tank. Purple tang spiked him all over with his surgeon. It was too late for me to save the Blue Tang after I realized that he had been attacked.


Like I said I am not trying to call anyone out but it was basically a lot of members vs me in the debate whether ich would still come back to haunt me. And no I did not treat the tank with any chemicle and I neither did hypo salinity for I have a plethora of snails, crabs and its a reef tank with a Bluecarpet anemone. Tank was left untouched and there was no immediate water changes.

Here is the thread, http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=896297

If you take a look at it, you will see I promised no such thing. I clearly said the only way to be sure you rid the tank of this parasite is to remove and treat all the fish.

 

[55semireef]

I am talking about my very first thread. Title was somewhere along the lines of this: "Ich in Reef Tank"

 

[Steven Pro]

Perhaps this one, http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=889321 although I didn't respond to it.

 

[55semireef]

It was shilo_1 that pledged it would be in my tank. Steven pro, sorry for including you...I just remember at one point you were involved. But just letting you guys know that its not in my tank at all.

 

[Steven Pro]

How many skin scraping and gill clippings have you performed?

 

[55semireef]

Zero because I never have too.

 

[BTTRFLYGRL]

Maybe it wasn't ich...There are quite a few diseases/parasites that show up as 'white spots' and are often confused with ich..

 

[55semireef]

Go point BTTRFLYGRL. But it was definately ich. No mistaken identity here. I took a sapmle of it and put it under a microscope at the lfs I work at and compared to the magnified pictures in the book.

 

[Steven Pro]

There are things you know (i.e. can prove) and things you believe. This sounds much more like the latter to me.

 

[55semireef]

Well just to correct you pro but I know that I hd ich. I believed it would not effecy my goby or tomato since I caught it early. There...all done now?

 

[Steven Pro]

You have not proven that the goby and clownfish never caught it, nor that they don't currently have it, nor that they haven't already infected the fish that were returned.

Your first post (and several thereafter) was very antagonistic and combative, especially considering you have no proof whatsoever to back up your claims. Not to mention, you have an entire 11 months of claimed experience in saltwater aquarium keeping. You sound like a younger hobbyist and I generally given younger people more slack. But, take a realistic view of what you have said and the way you said it. This entire thread is nothing more than you trying to pick a fight/argument. Having some facts to back you up would have been far more convincing.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7939909#post7939909 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Steven Pro
You have not proven that the goby and clownfish never caught it, nor that they don't currently have it, nor that they haven't already infected the fish that were returned.

Your first post (and several thereafter) was very antagonistic and combative, especially considering you have no proof whatsoever to back up your claims. Not to mention, you have an entire 11 months of claimed experience in saltwater aquarium keeping. You sound like a younger hobbyist and I generally given younger people more slack. But, take a realistic view of what you have said and the way you said it. This entire thread is nothing more than you trying to pick a fight/argument. Having some facts to back you up would have been far more convincing.

You have not proven that the goby and clownfish never caught it,

Well...what can I say on this one except for the fact that they never became ill that was obvious to the eye. Never showed signs of anything. And if they did somehow became ill they obviously recovered.

nor that they don't currently have it

This is interesting. Its been about 6 weeks now and still have no signs of anything. If it was attacking the gills I am pretty sure by now I would have seen the ill signs. Ich doesn't really go unoticed. By the way Steven, Gobies in general have a higher immune system to ich since in the wild they live on the ocean floor. Thats where ich cultivates.

nor that they haven't already infected the fish that were returned.

I havn't returned any fish as of yet.

Your first post (and several thereafter) was very antagonistic and combative, especially considering you have no proof whatsoever to back up your claims.

Because it really got me on how many said that I my fish were going to become infected and no I wasn't purposley being combative nor looking for a pointless argument, I just wanted to tell you guys. If that was your interpretation of my original posts thats fine. Thats not how it was directed.

you have no proof whatsoever to back up your claims.

Except for the fact that all my fish are healthy and have been ever since.

Not to mention, you have an entire 11 months of claimed experience in saltwater aquarium keeping.

Haha...I am not even going to get into this one. :thumbsup:

Having some facts to back you up would have been far more convincing.

Its a fact that all my fish are alive, living happily, showing no signs of ich and are not acting strangely at all. If somehow they had ich, then this would be a very weird case from my point of view.

 

[sdreefers]

I agree with Steven on this. If ich was present in the current system and no effective treatments were completed on the tank, I would assume that the ich is still present. In my experience, it only takes one parasite to survive and multiply to create an ich problem. I have ich in my tank and it comes back months later to haunt you. I run a UV on the tank and I think that has helped, however, occassionally the ich comes back. Steven has done a ton of research on this and there is a lot of research into ich that backs up what he is stating. I hope you got rid of the ich but it's a tough one and it can be frustrating to deal with. Good luck and keep us posted!

 

[SmokeFish]

I don't know how to post links, but CirolanidHunter has a thread documenting his battle with ich. His tank was fishless for quite some time (much more than 6 weeks), but the parasite was still able to live and multiply without having fish hosts. Its an interesting informative thread if nothing else. I hope that your battle is done, but if not maybe that thread can be of some use to you... Good luck!

 

[sdreefers]

Ich is a tough little parasite.

 

[tangdiver]

I was told about this thread. I had to see if the gloves were off...wounds like they were thrown a long time ago.

Your whole tank was exposed to it, so therefore all fish have been exposed to it. You need to treat all fish if that is what you are going to do. IMO I go the more natural way, many think it is wrong. I go no treatment, let them ride it out. Like all these people with antibacterial soaps. Man, talk about creating a mega bug. I use UV, garlic (yes I know, not always effective or proven). I also make sure a very healthy environment. Fish live with it in the wild.

I also believe that you do not need to add a fish to add cryptocaryon irritans (ICH, man ich is for freshwater...crytp is fro saltwater.)(sorry a little past marine biologist coming out of me)
You can add 1 droplet of water to a tank and infect it. I have proven this in Biloxi, Mississippi. I worked there as a marine biologist and we had treated all fish with copper (yes bad...)and did not add any fish to the tank in 3 months. It was crypt free as far as we knew it. Our treatment was prazi, freshwater dips, copper, panacur, and to many to list. It was very strict due to the amount of fish $$$$ in our tanks. Our new intern did not dip probe in bleach bucket before oxygen readings and yep you guessed it. We got crypt from the q-building. After the first tank she dipped the probe and all others 3 tanks ok. I have never done a paper or anything like this. Not my cup of tea. But, pretty sure the water on the probe had some juvenile or larvae on it and that is all that was needed to start the feast.

Not on anyones side...or if there are sides. Just telling my info. Backed by some evidence...not documented but scientific, Yes.

Not sure but thought I would add my 2cents.

Why so upset at Steven? This is all a hobby right...for fun!!!

 

[kypatriot]

I have had very good success eliminating ich using a diatom filter. The filter powder package claims that it can remove anything larger than 1 micron, including the swimming stage of ich.

I was initially very skeptical, but I have seen a 100% success rate with zero losses. My sample size is pretty low, though, so I'm not declaring this to be the ultimate cure for it; I'm just saying it has worked remarkably well for me.

Using a quarantine tank for ALL newly acquired fish is certainly integral, as it has prevented introduction into my display, and it is much easier for the filter to remove the parasites from the small (20g) tank.

At the first sign of ich, I have immediately employed the filter for about 3 or 4 weeks, sometimes starting with a freshwater dip and not other times. Once all visible lesions are gone, I let the filter run an additional week or two, all the while ensuring no return of signs for 4 weeks before transferring to display.

Anyway - has anyone else had experience with using a diatom for ich control/elimination?

 

[tangdiver]

No, but makes since...when the babies are free swimming before attacking a new host.

Grant

 

[Steven Pro]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7944758#post7944758 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SmokeFish
I don't know how to post links, but CirolanidHunter has a thread documenting his battle with ich. His tank was fishless for quite some time (much more than 6 weeks), but the parasite was still able to live and multiply without having fish hosts. Its an interesting informative thread if nothing else. I hope that your battle is done, but if not maybe that thread can be of some use to you... Good luck!

Are you sure that was not his thread on his isopod infestation?