Velvet or brook? !URGENT!

[Hokies83]

Ive been treating with copper in a QT after a mass death in my DT.

I think it is velvet but i really do not know..

As brook and Velvet have the same symptoms.

What i have seen is heavy breathing dis coloring and scratching.

It's so sad that these poor things are dying like this im trying to do everything i can.

 

[peasofme]

or it could be ich. ich is the most common.

 

[Hokies83]

I did not think ICH could kill so many so fast.

I lost 7 fish in 5 days and the tang this morning.

I also had a Mandy who caught it and died and i did not think a Mandy could get ICK.

 

[peasofme]

an ich outbreak can. all fish get ich. that is a myth that mandy's can't get it.

 

[Hokies83]

The Tang was put in the QT inch free and he only lasted 3 days.

The rest of the fish ive had awhile.

Been treating with copper for 4 days now.

 

[peasofme]

all the fish in your tank are infected, even if they didn't immediately show signs.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Hard to tell with dead fish. If there was peeling/sloughing skin; probably brook. Velvet shows up as an area of velvety sheen that can vary in size. Both are quick killers. Google "marine velvet" & "marine brooklynella"; you should be able to tell. I have a gut feeling its velvet. A new fish QT regimen would have kept this from happening.

 

[cngreg]

if you do a skin scrape and look under a microscope you can figure out what it is very quickly. Copper is effective against most strains of all three organisms in question regardless. Might even be ramped up uronema or a particularly virulent bacterial infection. Mandarins ARE generally less susceptible ( ive seen many tanks with full wipes and just a mandarin still alive and eating well) to cryptocaryon but can get it if challenged with enough tomites.

 

[Hokies83]

Uploading pics of Live fish and a Video now.

 

[Hokies83]

Video " Just Left click it "

 

[Hokies83]

There is Pic And video above.

 

[Hokies83]

Any confirms anyone can give me with the last Video / pic of live fish?

Everybody Is saying Velvet and i am treating for velvet.. But if it is Brook Copper does not help.

I ordered the meds for brook just in case.. but would like a confirm on it.

 

[cngreg]

While not as effective as formalin(which you can buy at the petstore or even pharmacy), copper can mitigate most brooklynella infections in otherwise healthy fish. If it really is brooklynella I don't know if it would have taken out your fish that fast. It usually goes for the gills first and causes heavy fast gilling and lots of mucus. When it becomes advanced it may cause skin lesions and ulcers which have flaps of skin peeling away. When I've seen this disease it's usually on fish in a crowded environment with poor water quality and it gets the clowns and gobies first.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I can't tell much from the pics; but brooklynella almost certainly have killed the fish by now.

 

[Hokies83]

Yeah the Clowns Blenny and Card have lasted over a week like this.

The Flame Angel fish Gramma 2 of the other cards and Mandys were took out very fast The Powder blue tang only lasted 3 days however.... But those things can die if you look at them wrong and may had to do with being in a 20G QT with so many other fish.

So Velvet then?

I can't tell much from the pics; but brooklynella almost certainly have killed the fish by now.

Check the video in post # 10 i turn a light on them mid way thru it and you can see it really good.

 

[Hokies83]

Would a UV help out with this?

 

[tylersarah]

I'm not a go to person for disease, but I'd like to share that I just battled flukes, lost 70% of fish to heavy breathing, saved the rest with Prazipro and Formalin. The only fish not affected were the clown pair.

 

[Crimson]

On your camera: adjust your contrast, remove flash, adjust your exposure value so we can see a better shot. Flash on a camera does not work well with water/glass.

That said, what about a more of broad treatment such as ParaGuard? Remove the cupermine first though.

 

[Hokies83]

On your camera: adjust your contrast, remove flash, adjust your exposure value so we can see a better shot. Flash on a camera does not work well with water/glass.

That said, what about a more of broad treatment such as ParaGuard? Remove the cupermine first though.

Im pretty crappy with the camera lol thats why i did the video.

Im doing copper then formalin but if Para guard is good for things these two are not i will add it.

 

[Crimson]

Im pretty crappy with the camera lol thats why i did the video.

Im doing copper then formalin but if Para guard is good for things these two are not i will add it.

Probably goes without saying but make sure your do a w/c and add cuprisorb or active carbon for a day before changing meds. Finish out the 21 days of the cupramine treatment.

I use Paraguard after I see the fish eating in QT with no signs of ich for new arrivals. Then I go though a prazipro and cupramine treatment. Sounds like your doing what you can. Sometimes no amount or type of meds can save a fish.

Good Luck!