VorTech Pump – What the Future Holds
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layer3switchguy
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Hey, lets watch the shots at Windows please!!! 
layer3switchguy
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Great answer Andy, great answer!
BTW, I'm very certain your upgrade path will be far easier than some of the upgrade paths we've offered in the past. :rolleye1: I just ordered a Vortech from Marine Depot today, I look forward to getting it. Do you offer tours at your location? I'm not far away from Hamilton...
we also just placed our order for a couple of Vortecs from MD. Now we get to wait it out for the upgrade to happen (using a wavemaker with a long delay in the meantime). 10 mins was the minimum delay between start/stop ? Which is more important, running time or stopped time ? I ask because with 4 pumps set at say 5 mins intervals for example, that would put them running for 5, stopped for 15. Hence my question about the previously mentioned 10 min mark. That is until the single pump controller comes along with the upgraded driver.
layer3switchguy - just give a heads up call so we can make sure the aquarium is presentable (75G with VorTech circulation and a Solar Flare for T5HO lighting).
Sparkss - The concern is regarding too frequent startups, so run time can be whatever you want. Just make sure off time is long enough. (This isn't necessarily a problem but based on in-the-field experiences, prudence seems responsible.) The single driver controller avoids the issue by sweeping the output range w/o turning the pump on and off.
Andy
Sparkss - The concern is regarding too frequent startups, so run time can be whatever you want. Just make sure off time is long enough. (This isn't necessarily a problem but based on in-the-field experiences, prudence seems responsible.) The single driver controller avoids the issue by sweeping the output range w/o turning the pump on and off.
Andy
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Basically you don't want to exceed one 'power on' and one 'power off' during any 20 min period. Meaning you can do 10 min on and 10 min off or you can do 15 min on and 5 min off or vice versa. Don't have it on for any less than 5 minutes.
The code corruption issue is a probability problem: by reducing the total times you turn the pump on and off in any given day, you reduce the probability that the problem will occur.
-Tim
The code corruption issue is a probability problem: by reducing the total times you turn the pump on and off in any given day, you reduce the probability that the problem will occur.
-Tim
Thanks for explaining that.
One more question, will the code corruption issue "go away" once the cycling is stopped. In other words will use of a wavemaker cause a cummulative effect that will "weaken" the code, or whatever flash device is used to house the code setting it up for failure down the road ? or is it such that if it doesn't happen, then once the cycling is stopped then it just won't (like when the controllers come out and can be used)
One more question, will the code corruption issue "go away" once the cycling is stopped. In other words will use of a wavemaker cause a cummulative effect that will "weaken" the code, or whatever flash device is used to house the code setting it up for failure down the road ? or is it such that if it doesn't happen, then once the cycling is stopped then it just won't (like when the controllers come out and can be used)
EcoTech Marine
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No, there's no cumulative effect that can weaken the code. It's pure probability.
These numbers are all purely for explanation purposes, but, say there's a 1 in 1000 chance that the code will be corrupted everytime you turn the power off to the driver... If you turn the power off 1000 times in one day, you stand a decent chance of the code being corrupted that day. If you reduce the number of times you turn the power off, you reduce the liklihood of it ever happening.
-Tim
These numbers are all purely for explanation purposes, but, say there's a 1 in 1000 chance that the code will be corrupted everytime you turn the power off to the driver... If you turn the power off 1000 times in one day, you stand a decent chance of the code being corrupted that day. If you reduce the number of times you turn the power off, you reduce the liklihood of it ever happening.
-Tim
ok, thanks, I had suspected as much, but not knowing what piece of the puzzle actually caused the code corruption I thought it best to just ask about the numbers .
Thanks again.. our 4 Vortecs should be here on Tuesday...That credit card won't be seeing the light of day for some time now
.Thanks again.. our 4 Vortecs should be here on Tuesday...That credit card won't be seeing the light of day for some time now
Hal
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Re: VorTech Pump â€"œ What the Future Holds
So essentially for a $50 upgrade fee you get a driver that will work with a wireless controller, and a single wireless controller in summer of 2007? You then have the option to purchase a multi-driver wireless controller in late 2007 for retail minus $25? Is that correct?
So essentially for a $50 upgrade fee you get a driver that will work with a wireless controller, and a single wireless controller in summer of 2007? You then have the option to purchase a multi-driver wireless controller in late 2007 for retail minus $25? Is that correct?
Hal - The single driver controller isn't wireless. Otherwise, you summed it up.
Regarding the price of the wireless Driver / Pump this summer, it will not have an extra year warranty, it will not have a $25.00 discount on a wireless controller and it doesn't have a price set as of yet. It's likely the price will be higher as it's a year later, it's a better product out of the box, the dollar isn't soaring and inflation still exists. Nevertheless, I am not going to paint myself into a corner and lose the option of being more aggressive on pricing if our volumes increase dramatically. Likewise I don't want to telegraph our marketing plans for the future more than I already have. Imagine asking HP what their next printer is going to cost 6 months before it hits the shelves, and to share that info with the world.
Andy
Regarding the price of the wireless Driver / Pump this summer, it will not have an extra year warranty, it will not have a $25.00 discount on a wireless controller and it doesn't have a price set as of yet. It's likely the price will be higher as it's a year later, it's a better product out of the box, the dollar isn't soaring and inflation still exists. Nevertheless, I am not going to paint myself into a corner and lose the option of being more aggressive on pricing if our volumes increase dramatically. Likewise I don't want to telegraph our marketing plans for the future more than I already have. Imagine asking HP what their next printer is going to cost 6 months before it hits the shelves, and to share that info with the world.
Andy
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Andy,
Can you explain a little more about this? Is the new wireless capable driver actually integrated somehow with the single controller as a single unit?
yea, that seems a little counter intuitive that with the driver upgrade to make it wireless that the included single controller is non-wireless. Doesn't make much sense, but maybe I am just missing the big picture ? I fully appreciate needing the wireless driver to set the stage for the multi-controller to come out in a year's time, but to get it only to move to a wired controller for the interim seems a bit off. Can you 100% guarantee that the wireless driver won't change/update between now and when the multi-controller comes out ? Otherwise since the "new" wireless driver will be a dormant piece of hardware until the multi controller comes out, it feels like a big risk to buy it now. It seems like the upgrade you are offerring is more a single controller with the addition of a wireless driver, not the other way around, as it was originally presented.
The upgraded Driver is the same Driver we'll be using in the future. That's why we can't do upgrades until the next rev. driver release begins.
Therefore I'd read into this that all new Drivers will be wireless enabled for a multi Driver Controller and individually controllable too.
Andy
Therefore I'd read into this that all new Drivers will be wireless enabled for a multi Driver Controller and individually controllable too.
Andy
FuzzyLogic
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Is the new driver actually integrated somehow with the single controller as a single unit?
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