Wavebox? Or new Streams?

[Jar*Head]

ECFENCING, i would go with 2x6105 and the nano wavebox. With this combo you have both wave action and directional flow. If you already have the 6100 and you don't mind the larger size, i would suggest to keep it and add another 6105 or sell the 6100 and get two 6105. The new 6105 actually have more flow, smaller foot print, and lesser electricity.

I am not very familiar with vortech but from looking at my friend vortech and many people pm me about to change to Tunze. i wouldn't go that route because i know someone who has 4 in his tank and he is about to get rid of them and get 2 tunze 6205....

 

[Mental1]

Hi Steve --

Tagging along here! Here's a picture of my new tank. It is going to be set up peninsula style and I was going to do a return manifold and CL but just started looking at the wavebox. How would you manage flow on this baby?

 

[Jar*Head]

Is the overflow box in the center or the tank or toward the back? If toward the back, how far is it from the back? I would place the wavebox on the other side of the overflow to flow across the back. As for directional flow, are you planning on SPS dominate or mix reef? I would do 1 6205 mounted on the overflow and point across the tank. The 6205 flow 30" wide, 84-96" long without any issue. It is pushing 5900ghp at 60 or 55w. You can use the stream deco rock to hide the pump if necessary.

I see the 3 holes on the far end. I assume that is your CL. With a CL, 1 tunze wavebox (regular size), and 1 tunze stream 6205 on 7091 single controller, you will have plenty of flow....

 

[Mental1]

The overflow is in the center of the tank. The holes on the other end are left from an additional overflow that I removed and was thinking of using for a closed loop. It is going to be mixed reef but only the easy SPS -- monti's, birdsnest, pocilliopora, etc.

When you say place the wavebox to flow across the back I assume you mean one of the long sides. As this will be viewed from 3 sides there is no back per se so I just want to make sure I am understanding you!

Again, with the 6205, I assume it would be facing the length of the tank mounted on the overflow as you described.

Do you think the CL is till necessary for flow? If I could get decent flow without it I would prefer to just block the holes. Thanks for you advice!

 

[Jar*Head]

You may have to sacrify 5" of your viewing area for the wavebox and yes the wave box will flow the length of the tank as well as the tunze stream.

You don't have to use the CL but 1 6205 may not be enough for your tank size. The CL will help pushing the water back from the far end of the tank.

 

[Lowredranger]

I saw on another thread recommending have the tank drilled and make the wavebox external can you tell me more about that.

 

[Jar*Head]

Lowredranger, are you ready to join the dark side?

I am the one who has the external wavebox. As a matter of fact i have 4 . You can have your tank mfg to build an custom ext wavebox for you. The box size is 5x5.5x13. The hole is 60mm, 10.5" from the water surface to the center of the hole. If you need any help with ext wavebox, let me know.

 

[Mental1]

Couple more questions! If I cannot change the overflow slots will the wave be okay in my 180? And how noisy is it? Especially as this is an island overflow?

 

[Jar*Head]

The wave will be ok. Just raise your durso pipe up a bit. It will not change the water level in your tank but it does change the water level in your overflow box. If you adjust the durso pipe correctly, you will not have any noise. I can help with the durso... Let me know....

 

[Lowredranger]

I am considering taking the tank and having the hole drilled and then building the box, I am not sure of the water height so is 10.5" from top ok for the hole or does it have to be exact. Thanks

 

[Mental1]

Okay -- so if I do the CL, the feed for the CL would be one of the holes in the overflow so I would want to raise the water level in the overflow to mitigate microbubbles. (Then the tank return would have to come up over the end in perhaps a mini manifold). So when you say raise the pipe up -- does that mean that I would be raising the water level in the overflow? I have never actually put a durso together before so I am not sure if raising the pipe raises or lowers the water level!

Also, I have built a fake rock covering for the overflow and there is about 8 inches between the side of the overflow and the side of the tank. The fake rock probably comes out a maximum of four inches leaving four inches between the rock and the side of the tank. Is that enough room for the wavebox to work?

I think I am almost done asking questions!!!!!

 

[Jar*Head]

You have 3 holes on the far end, you can use one as a feed and the other two is return for the CL. I don't understand how you are going to take the water from your overflow to feed the CL unless you have another hole drill sonewhere on the side of the overflow box. If not, i don't recomend to take the water from your overflow box because it will be problematic.

As for the wavebox, you will be fine with 4" gap as long as there is a straight shot across the lenth of the tank without any more rock on the way.....

 

[Mental1]

Well -- the problem with using all three holes is the danger of a bulkhead failing so I was only going to use one hole as the return for the CL to try and limit the danger. A local guy has actually used a hole in his overflow to feed his Cl and has had success with it. The two biggest problems being keeping it from getting clogged and microbubbles. Can you see another issue?

So is what you are saying about the durso to raise or lower the water level in the overflow? I am assuming raising but just want to make sure. Sorry to be a pain!

 

[Jar*Head]

No pain at all bro. You need to raise the water level inside your overflow box to avoid the noise generate by the wave.

I don't see how someone can use the overflow to feed their CL. There will be lots of water running through the overflow. Beside clog and micro bubble. You are looking at recirculate detritus into your main display. The pump will sucks all the heavy detritus and recirculate back into the main display before the durso even get a chance.

If you use proper type of bulkhead (sch.80), and use flex PVC for plumging you will avoid lots of problem with leakage and future issues...

 

[Mental1]

Okay ... but would a vortec be able top provide the same flow from the end? I already have one and the pump you mentioned is another $600!!! Yikes with the wavebox that's up to $1200. Why can't I ever win the lottery?

 

[NVTE]

Hi Steve
What about 60x24x24 with overflow on side panel ? What is your recommendation ?

 

[Jar*Head]

Go with the regular size Daniel. Since you already have one, use it

 

[NVTE]

Steve, I don't have Wavebox yet, just small 6025 one.
What about the stream? any model that I can get good flow without getting sandstorm? I am planning to put Wavebox and powerhead on the side panel where overflow is . I want to hide all the equipment on that side. thanks Steve

 

[Mental1]

Oops .. thought of one more question. I am going to have a DSB -- probably 5 inches as I want to keep some jawfish. I have southdown. Will I have a sand storm?

 

[Jar*Head]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13501207#post13501207 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NVTE
Steve, I don't have Wavebox yet, just small 6025 one.
What about the stream? any model that I can get good flow without getting sandstorm? I am planning to put Wavebox and powerhead on the side panel where overflow is . I want to hide all the equipment on that side. thanks Steve

Daniel, go with the 6105 or 6101 with single controller and the wavebox.....