Wavebox + Turbelle?

[MAXreefer]

I have a 180G and looking to get a wavebox. Even when I don't want to create a huge wave I guess the Nano will be to small?
I looked at the manual and it mentioned the Wavebox can be supplemented with Turbelle streams running on a timer with a 6 hour interval.
I have now a 6060 and 6080 and my question is:

Can I use those two when I put them on a regular timer or do I need the controllable ones?
and
180G and a Nano is a NO NO ?

Thanks for any suggestions/help
Michael

 

[Jar*Head]

Michael, you can use the 6060 and 6080 on wave maker or timer make sure your interval no less than 15mins. You don't have to get the controllable one unless you want to be able to adjust to different type of flow or interval.

IMO, nano wavebox will not work well in your 180g. You should be able to achieve 1.5"+ on 6x2x2

 

[MAXreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13417879#post13417879 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
Michael, you can use the 6060 and 6080 on wave maker or timer make sure your interval no less than 15mins. You don't have to get the controllable one unless you want to be able to adjust to different type of flow or interval.

IMO, nano wavebox will not work well in your 180g. You should be able to achieve 1.5"+ on 6x2x2

Thanks for the quick reply!!
That's great to know I still can use the ones I already have.
I guess
"You should be able to achieve 1.5"+ on 6x2x2" was pointing to the bigger wavebox?

 

[Jar*Head]

Yes sir, the bigger wavebox. Unless you can borrow someone nano wavebox and give it a try....

 

[uhuru]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13417879#post13417879 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
Michael, you can use the 6060 and 6080 on wave maker or timer make sure your interval no less than 15mins. You don't have to get the controllable one unless you want to be able to adjust to different type of flow or interval.

IMO, nano wavebox will not work well in your 180g. You should be able to achieve 1.5"+ on 6x2x2

So I could use a 6100 on a regular timer as long as the interval is 15 min. or longer? This will not cause problems with the pump longevity and reliability?

 

[Jar*Head]

uhuru, your case is different. Since you own the 6100 (controllable) you are able to set it on shorter interval like 1 min or even 30 sec. But one thing to remember, if you run it on and off instead of 30%-100% it is require more cleaning due to Calcium deposit.

 

[MAXreefer]

So I got the Wavebox and need some help now with the layout of the Wavebox + Pumps.
As mentioned above I could use the 6060 and 6080 connected to a regular timer to supplement the wavebox.
I had a look at the manual and on Page 55 it says (I won't run the Multicontroller just a regular timer for the pumps):

The Multicontroller should be operated in
„Interval 1“ mode with an ideal time intervals of six
hours (high and low tide). With one circulation pump
and one Wavebox, the tank is provided with six
hours of circular current (2) and six hours of washing
of waves (3) With two pumps and one Wavebox, the tank is provided with six hours of circular current without waves (4) and six hours of circular current in another direction with the washing of waves (5).

This is the original pictures from the manual to illustrate the above

Now as I have to place Wavebox in the front corner due to the rockwork in the back I was thinking of following layout. I will change the flow directions from the pumps in the opposite direction as suggested in the manual and the 6060+6080 will run on a 6 hour timer. Is this going to do the same as explained in the manual? Anything else you would suggest?

 

[Jar*Head]

Why not have the wavebox in the front and the two pumps in the back on timer? Each pump point 45 degrees angle and set your timer on 15 mins interval. The timer pretty much play the role of interval 1 with an exception of longer interval...

 

[MAXreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13475438#post13475438 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
Why not have the wavebox in the front and the two pumps in the back on timer? Each pump point 45 degrees angle and set your timer on 15 mins interval. The timer pretty much play the role of interval 1 with an exception of longer interval...

Hey Steve,
thanks for your quick reply...

Sorry if I sound stupid with all my questions here...

1) The reason I placed the pumps as in my second drawing was with the goal to recreate the recommended layout just inverse..
2) If I would put both pumps in the back and pointing them 45 degrees.. In what direction would you point them?
3) The manual was talking about a 6 hour time frame... If I put them in a 15min. interval as you suggest would that mean BOTH 15 min. on and then BOTH 15 off or having ONE on for 15 and then the OTHER 15 min on while the other is off?

 

[Jar*Head]

Maxreefer,

Place the pump in the back panel at 45 degrees angle point toward the front. Each pump will be in 15 min interval stagger(1 running while the other turn off)

The 6hrs interval is applicable to the multi controller. Every 6hrs, the controller demonstrate the low/high tide. You can't do that with the none controllable pump. But you can always do the interval which is 15mins on / 15 mins off....


No worry about the question. I am here to share my knowledge..

 

[MAXreefer]

ok... So here is the new flow design...
I am replacing the Koralias one at a time with the Tunzes but you guys are soooo expensive I have to go slowly..

I pointed all the pumps in a 45 degree angle to the front center of the tank and they run on a 30 min. interval.
The 6060 and 6080 are sitting more at the top of the tank while the Koralia #3 and #4 are a little lower.

Looks good?
Suggestions?

Thanks again
Michael

 

[Jar*Head]

Out standing. Why not 15 mins interval? Which model tunze are you replacing the K 4 with? I would consider controllable or the 6125 for more flow and less pump

 

[MAXreefer]

Thanks!!!
I know you said a 15 min. interval wouldn't affect the Tunzes.. but what is with the Koralias?
When I get the correct change together I am considering the controllable ones as my first choice....

edit..edit...

Maybe I will bite the dust now..
Do you think if I go for 2x 6101 on a multicontroller and of course the wavebox i could get rid of all my Korallias? and maybe also the 6060 and 6080?

 

[Jar*Head]

Why not 6105 (Newer version of 6101)

Smaller foot print, more flow, 5w lower compare to the older model. It is either the same size or smaller than your K4, magnet holder included. With 6800 gph i think you can replace the K 4 and the non-controllable stream.

Imagine your tank with just 2 stream and a wavebox. It will look cleaner, more flow, more room for your fish to swim, capability to control the flow in different mode etc....

 

[MAXreefer]

You are very close to convince me... Just keep going...

Any idea when the new controllable ones will be on the market?

 

[Jar*Head]

Now i sound like a darn salesman . The first shipment will arrive in U.S in the next couple weeks but very limited. Your best bet is mid Nov or Dec " best time to get yourself something for x-mas".

Honestly, do you rather have 2 power head in the tank or 4 or 6? I am going to have 6x6305 in my new tank because it is too darn big.

 

[MAXreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13490432#post13490432 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jar*Head
Now i sound like a darn salesman .

Let's say you are very enthusiastic about the Tunze products... sounds better...

Change in plans:
I just got 2 x Tunze 6101 (upgraded 6100's) and a multicontroller here locally from a fellow reefer.

Now getting back to the suggestions from the manual:
The Multicontroller should be operated in
„Interval 1“ mode with an ideal time intervals of six
hours (high and low tide). With one circulation pump
and one Wavebox, the tank is provided with six
hours of circular current (2) and six hours of washing
of waves (3) With two pumps and one Wavebox, the tank is provided with six hours of circular current without waves (4) and six hours of circular current in another direction with the washing of waves (5).

My question:
So I connect the Wavebox to Channel 2 and BOTH streams to Channel 1 ?

Thanks again for any suggestions?

 

[Lutefisk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13527881#post13527881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MAXreefer
My question:
So I connect the Wavebox to Channel 2 and BOTH streams to Channel 1 ?

Thanks again for any suggestions?

You can run the WaveBox totally independent from the Stream controller. I do.

I have the light sensor on the Wavebox controller and it shuts down when the lights go off.

The two Streams are each connected to separate channels with their own light sensor.

This way, with the Streams on opposite sides of the tank, they alternate the current in both directions. The Wavebox then creates an oscillating water movement with the waves.


Paul

 

[MAXreefer]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13528726#post13528726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Lutefisk
You can run the WaveBox totally independent from the Stream controller. I do.
I have the light sensor on the Wavebox controller and it shuts down when the lights go off.
The two Streams are each connected to separate channels with their own light sensor.
This way, with the Streams on opposite sides of the tank, they alternate the current in both directions. The Wavebox then creates an oscillating water movement with the waves.
Paul

Thanks Paul for you suggestion.
I guess there are many ways to get the most out of the wavebox and the streams and being a newbie with those toys it is very nice to hear about different solutions.
In your configuration on what settings and timings do you run the streams?

Thanks
Michael

 

[Lutefisk]

I run "Pulse" at "6s" on "Interval 2"
and "Interval" about 1/2 way on the "1-60 Second" setting

I have the minimum on both channels set to the minimum and the max set to somewhat past 1/2 way. At this setting I'm not blowing the flesh off of coral or creating sand drifts.

I like this setting because it creates circulation with surges.

If I remember right this is how it runs:

Channel 2 - Minimum
Channel 1 - Max for 6 seconds
Channel 1 - Min for 6 seconds
Channel 1 - Max for 6 seconds
Channel 1 - Min for 6 seconds
Channel 1 - Max for 6 seconds
Channel 1 - Minimum
Channel 2 - Max for 6 seconds
Channel 2 - Min for 6 seconds
Channel 2 - Max for 6 seconds
Channel 2 - Min for 6 seconds
Channel 2 - Max for 6 seconds
(Repeat)

I could set longer time intervals to replicate more natural tidal and wave surges. The "Pulse" sorta creates the waves and "Interval" the reverses the flow sorta like tides.

These settings might be something like 12 second interval waves with 30 second tides Or at least a significant current shift every 60 seconds.

At night both channels run at minimum - which is still a fair amount of circulation in my 155 bowfront.

On top of that the Wavebox is doing its thing. All this adds up to a LOT of water moving.

In any case the coral seems to like it.

Paul