what a mess.!!!!

sabalough

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apearently something bad happened here today and all of my montiporas bleached/died. I came home from the swap and the house smelled bad, tank smelled worse. looks like I lostat least 8 colonies including a 16" diam cap colony (my first sps a frag in 1998). this has never happened before. weird thing is it only seems to have affected montiporas. everything eyles seems ok even the acroporas and bta's look normal.

the tank is milkey white. I also noticed T.maxima clam is spawning. I wonder if that can cause a bleaching event?or vise-versa.

any one have any Idias as to what maw be going on? or what I can do.

I've cleaned the skimmer, added a ton of carbon and did a water change (only 5% though as I ran out of salt)

Steve,
 
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Steve,
That really sucks! Sorry to hear about your troubles. Think there was too much slime from fragging or something?

Hope you can get some of them to come back.

-- Kevin
 
Do you have a dsb?

If so did it get stirred up during the time you gathered your frags.

I lost mainly monti's when I disturbed my sand bed a few years back, like 10 years ago man I'm getting old.

Anyways your welcome to any frags I have left. Too help you get back and going
Erik
 
Thanks for the offer, Eric

unfortunatly, the more I recollect about the cause, there were too mainy variables to point to just one. the fact is after years of not having any problems, I neglected to pay attention to the details. I forgot that our tanks should not be taken for granted no mater how stable ones system has become there is a very subtle balance of life in there.

now I'll admit my guilt:

#1 in the past 1.5 wk the tank was neglected ( we recently had a second child, and my wife is recovering from surgery at my parents I"ve ben traveling back and forth) instead of daily top off water/food/calcium etc.. I switched to every 4-5 days. (large salinity change and chemical fluctuations)

#2 due to low water in the sump/fuge I had to harvest most of my cheato (it was dry) and the calerpa "went sexual" and some live rock was exposed (lhe live rock and calerpa probably caused a small amonia spike and lowered the o2)(also defeated the stability added to the sustem by having a fuge)

#3 For thr swap I fraged a large leather and a 8"+ zoanthid rock (could have released excessive toxins)

#4 recently replaced the mh bulb and added vho's (every thing was stressed a little from the new 100k xm)

#5 verry likely I disturbred deep in the dsb when I fraged two large rocks one was the large zoa rock the other was to remove a bta I promised some one. (dsb are a good thing, but they must be used with some caution!!! and an understanding of there pitfalls.) this was proobably the major cause of my situation.

#6 my T.maxima 5.5" decided it was a good time to try to procreate and was spawning large white pufs 2-3 thmes a min for hours. (not a major issueThis could not have helped this can lead to a large amonia spike and depresed levels of o2)

every thing is seteling down now.
lots of dead coral. all mointipora sp, all pocilipora sp. are bleached. (rather sad as the pocilipora spawned around december. I had dozens of small 1/2" colonies growing at every avaliable spot)
curiously one newer frag of m.cap. did survive it is a bright orange/pink collor variant.

all acroporas seem unaffected.
all brain coral related lps are severly stressed (blasto, calestera, lobo.)
most of the softies are un- happy but will be ok
frog spawn is po'd
challace's seem unaffected

xinia not happy but in tact.

all new frags are ok (this is good but, puzzles me a bit) I did loose the tips on a pocilipora frag though. I did not add the frags till midnight after I did what mantnance I could for the tank. lost one new pepermint shrimp (unrelated to this as it was not looking good by the time it got home)

fish are slightly stressed but ok (clowns still tending there spawn)
snails were all playing dead last night but are active now.

I think i am over the worst now

to this point I've changed 30% of the water
added as mutch carbon as I can fit.
added particulate filter pad (changed every 8 hrs or so)
added some puragen
cleaned the skimmer and its pump pulling 3-4 cups of nasty sludge every 8 hrs.
increased flow in the tank

the water is clearing up, things are looking beter.
I figured I'd document this so others can learn from my neglect.
Steve,
 
thanks for the offer,

enough made it through to regenerate.

although this crash was bad it could have ben a lot worse.
I lost 8-10 colonies but dozens of others have survived. with a little extra atention and tlc I'm shure every thing left will be ok.
on the up side my overcrouding issue is solved.

thanks again, Steve
 
Steve -
That is a sad, sad story. Glad conditions are improving. Don't be too hard on yourself; new baby, wife's surgery were more pressing concerns than tank maintenance.
You are welcome to stop by and frag some of my montis.
I have two m. caps - lavender edged and dark maroon. Also a green monti digitata.
Connie
 
I'd venture to guess that it was the stress from the swap. After the last swap in Columbus (1 day after), My RBTA decided to spawn. Same result as yours.
 
Dont worry Connie, not too hard on myself as I would give my own life for my girls and new boy so after all whats the sacrafice of a few inocent lower life forms.

I may have to take you up on that generouse offer in a few months when things stabilize a bit.
My large cap was my first sps and you gave it to me (my verry 1st frag to boot)
visiting you and your tank inspired me or should I say
got me completly adicted. your tank was the first truly awesome reef I had seen, in fact it inspired my 70gal through the wall reef.
Of corse I'd simply have to bring you some cool acro. or challicce frag.

Jenghes sorry to hear about that, how long did it take to clear up afterwards?
my tank water is crystal clear but the algie cycle is starting. everything is covered in brown slime right now. hopefully I can avoid a hair algie epasode.
Steve,
 
I was lucky and found out that I have a male RBTA. I hear that the spawning eventis not of a crisis as it is with a female. I had to run to Wal-Mart in the middle of the night for a massive amount of distilled water (I was out of RO/DI because of the swap). I did a massive water change and ran my skimmer very wet for several days. I did not get a major algea outbreak though.

I hope that your tank pulls through.
 
upon some further research (in a few books and several web-sites) this seems to be a classic case of RTN. many large rtn epesodes seem to be species specific in tanks. Aperently these mas rtns' either affect montiporas and pociliporas or acroporas or etc.. Montipora and pocilipora are concidered to be verry closley related to one another.
I am satisfied that the primary cause was the stress of the salinity swing I caused by not toping off the water frequently enough. There are to mainy documented cases of this hapining in barebottom and ssb systems to blame the dsb for this event.
Further the clam was probably induced to spawn by a chemical cue released by the rapid die off.
I am by no means claming to have figured this out but I am satisfyed with this an my anticdotal conclusion.
Steve,
 
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also it seems posible that RTN events may be caused by some sort of un-identifyed pathogen, if so this may haveben introduced with a recent frag of montipora 2-3 wks ago, curiously it is the only coral of this species in my tank still completly intact. also a green digita growing at the sump/fuge water return line is only about 25% affected and recovering. Just in case I will be diping all frags from now on!! As for the top of water an automated process is in the works
Steve,
 
I dont know, I've never done it. I always thought it wise not to stress a new frag. I've reconcidered though, just in case that had anything to do with this.
 
Whatever happened it happened before the swap because 7 of the Monti's that we bought off Steve were DOA before we even got home.
 
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