What causes fragile coral skeletons?

ThRoewer

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The skeletons of many of my SPS corals are extremely fragile. Birdsnest and branching monties are probably the worst (despite quite good growth), but acropora are also affected.

Has anybody an idea what may cause this?
 
Some of they are just fragile like that..
But from what I read over the years, it is the flow that cause it.
more flow will cause them the body to be bigger and strong..
 
What is your PO4? There are some that suggest high PO4 causes brittle growth, I really don't know but I have been fighting mine at .015 and finally have it down to .004. My german blue digi is extremely fragile but grows like a weed.
 
Montis are very soft. Birdnest less so. I'm not sure that you actually have an issue.
 
Pictures of the acros that are fragile? Species matters, but most should be fairly strong. Flow is a big one that can lack leading to thin, weak, long funny looking branching. Some water parameters can cause some of these problems if off base for long periods of time. Pictures would help most, along with tank size and flow.
Monti are defiantly soft and brittle birdsnest are easy to break but only because they are long and thin. They arent really brittle though, most birdsnest should have hard skeletons, not weak or soft branches.
 
usually indicative of faster than optimal growth, elements like cal and alk are used at a much faster rate than say boron which is integral to skeletal strength....im interested to know what your ph is?
 
Also alk and Cal imballanced can lead to odd growth and soft growth but it's normally funny looking.
 
Also alk and Cal imballanced can lead to odd growth and soft growth but it's normally funny looking.
I think this might be one factor for sure. For some reason my Ca value is always a bit below of what it should be in regards to the Alk. I'm dosing ESV B-ionic 2 part solution, but it seems that the consumption is somewhat asymmetric.

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I had the same problem when first doing bionic. I believe I had to straighten out my calcium and bring it to levels equal to where alk would be. And over time with dosing more calcium the two equaled out and I could dose both at the same ratio. Make sure mag is at a good level and not low or it could cause problems trying to level out your other two levels. I found some growth was soft with no wierd growth formations. Do you have any odd growth or hyperplasia? It seemed to o my affect certain acros with the odd growth for me. Once I everything was correct skeletons hardened and things grew correctly.
 
cal and alk ratios are not really relevant as long as they are within an acceptable range, the poly will secrete calcium carbonate regardless, cal is cal and alk is alk....
ph is the factor of importance, the higher the ph the faster the polyp can secrete calcium carbonate the problem is that when the polyp secretes at a faster rate it doesn't utilize other elements as quickly so your skeletons are comprised mainly of calcium carbonate and a lot less of the strengthening elements which makes sense as you stated you are having trouble keeping your calcium high ... what is also interesting to note is that once returned to an optimal growth rate those skeletons will become dense again.

although it is possible this is not your issue altogether.... which is why im interested in your average ph...
 
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Wow! I never knew it could get so high. Is the reason being they are outside or are you guys doing something to help keep it that high?
 
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