What is the protocol for quarenting fish of an existing aquarium??

[sensei]

I have a 150g DT ( 3 years old) were I did not know the quarantine procedures, thus I did not treat my fish. I have not experienced any ich outbreak but I have introduced corals from ich infested tanks but my 150g tank never had signs of ich.

Now I am treat all the fish ( TTM + Prazi + observation ), coral and everything that goes into my new new 600g system to be sure no ich, brooks or velvet gets into my system.

I would like to interchange corals from my old system to my new system with out quarantining, thus I will have to leave my old tank fishless for 72 days to be sure there is no ich in that tank.

I would need to treat al the fish in my old tank with TTM+ Prazi and put them in my new 600g system, but I am not sure if I need observation time for these fish??

I ask because the fish I will be treating are fish I have had for 3 years so should be no velvet or brooks, I will be treating them with TTM because I have read some fish are immune to ich and not necessarily ich free and I can not risk my new system introducing ich with the fish in my 150g

I believe observation time is needed for new fish because they come from water with low copper concentrations that can mask diseases, but in my case I do not know if TTM+ Prazi is all I need??


Please let me know what you think

Thanks

 

[ThRoewer]

After 3 years without any sighting it is pretty unlikely that there is ich hiding in the system.

Also, a fish that is truly immune will not be a carrier.
That risk is only with partially immune fish, and those generally show some symptoms. If it's there it usually shows from time to time, either by fish scratching once in a while or sporting some white spots. All it takes is stirring up some mud to drop the redox or any other stressor and a few spots show up on the usual suspects.

Some fish seem to be naturally immune, at least I have not yet seen a Banggai Cardinal with even the slightest ich infection, even if every other fish in the tank was not just infected but seriously sick with it (= in urgent need of treatment).

But putting all old fish through TTM should not hurt. Though I wouldn't put old and established stock through a PraziPro treatment unless they show symptoms of intestinal or external flatworm infections as there is some risk involved.

Observation time would not be required as they had 3 years of that already.

Since the corals are in an established tank I would just leave them there for another 3 months without fish to have peace of mind.

 

[sensei]

Thanks Roewer,

What are the risks involved with PraziPro?? I though there were non.

What are the symptoms of intestinal or external flatworm infections?

I have been treating all my new fish with TTM and 2 doses of Prazi and I have not seen any negative effects in the fish the day I apply Prazi?

I was thinking of doing TTM + Prazi to have peace of mind since I have quarantined all other fish that go into new dt by the book.

Thanks

 

[microlady]

Prazi can suppress appetite in some fish, and it can deplete some oxygen levels so be sure to aerate well. I haven't lost a fish with it so far. Symptoms of infestation could be emaciation, stringy poop, or maybe flashing or breathing heavily. They are probably clear of any of that if you've had them for three years. I would just TTM them, and wait to move the corals after a 10-12 week fallow period.

 

[sensei]

Thanks for your answer

is it possible for my fish to live 3 years in my 150g dt and have parasites?
I ask becuase I did not do PraziPro with those fish

 

[ThRoewer]

The majority of my fish never got treated with Praziquantel (PraziPro) and have no issues.

IME intestinal parasites (the real flukes: Nematoda and Trematoda) are more of a problem with wild caught freshwater fish than reef fish. I had wild West African Pelvicachromis that had so many nematodes sticking out of their butts that it looked the frayed end of a red rope.

If there are intestinal issues with reef fish, they are more likely caused by bacteria than worms.

With marine fish you more often find Monogenean - parasitic flatworms that infect the skin and gills.

But if your fish had any of these guys you would know for sure by now.


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[sensei]

Thanks Roewer,

another question

I am now doing TTM to a dragon pipefish I had in an ich infested tank.
how much food should I give him?

I gave live brine shrimp today?

I have some tiger pods but not to many.

please give me your advice. I know you are an expert in pipefish

Thanks

 

[ThRoewer]

I never really measure how much Tigger pods I feed since they will not spoil, I just toss some in and add more once I notice that it's gone.

With brine shrimp I would be a bit more careful. Add a little bit and replenish once gone.

Bluestripe pipefish can also go with rather little food for a while when kept in small containers. Not sure how dragon face pipefish are in that regard.

 

[sensei]

Thanks Roewer

one more question.

I am planning to put this dragon pipefish in my new sps dt were I have four MP60s with no foam guard.

do you know if this fish are intelligent enough not to get near this pumps, or else he might get suck and distroyed

thanks for your answer

 

[ThRoewer]

I can't speak to the dragon face pipefish, but I never had issues with my Bluestripes. The single male in the 100 gallon tank got once trapped in my DIY foam filter bottle and survived it. I think he tried to get the pods in there and didn't find his way out again. He doesn't have any issues with the Jebao MP-60 or the two WAVs.
My oldest pair is in a tank with a MP-25 - also no issues, despite them being sometimes scary close to the pumps.
I think these guys have a keen sense of danger and are careful.

I would think the dragon face pipefish are not much different.

 

[sensei]

Thanks a lot

 

[sensei]

Roewer,
dragon pipefish are small and somewhat white so it is difficult to see if they have a disease.
today I made the second transffer for my pipe fish.
I have had him for 1 year but he was on an ich infested tank.
should I dose PraziPro today?

I ask because you said not to dose prazi on the fish I had for 3 years in my other tank, but I am not sure if the same aplies to this pipefish

he was not quarentined when he was on the other tank

2.- how can you be sure he has no ich?
I ask because since he is white it would be difficult to see ich on him

thanks

 

[ThRoewer]

If it's a fairly new fish or you suspect something, treat it like you just bought it.