What is this Clownfish called?

[mhhauser321]

Maybe I am a complete nub but i want a pair of these and all i have is a photo.
My newbie guess is a true perc

here is the photo

plz help

matt

 

[chrisstie]

I know them as "onyx clowns" .. typically wild caught true percs from what I am told.

Hope this helps

 

[littlefish72]

DING DING DING!!! you are correct...it's a true perc

 

[ArgonDreams]

Actually that looks like a Picasso Clown. It's a descriptor to describe a color variant of the Amphiprion Percula (True Percula).

Onyx Clowns typically have a wide band of Black on the center of body, and sometimes have the white variant you see in the picture. You can find Onyx clowns at Rod's Reef at the link below:

Rod's Reef Onyx Clowns

The Picasso Clown, which is what it looks like to me, was another variant of Percula like the Onyx that ORA is famous for. Here is some information and pics of those:

Saltwaterfish.com section on Picasso Clowns



Jov Reefer's pic of Picassos (Onyx on the Top Picasso on the Bottom)

 

[phender]

From the pic you can't tell if it is onyx, picasso or neither. It is A. percula.
Onyx and picasso are just color variations of A. percula.

 

[Anemone]

What is this Clownfish called?

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Kevin

 

[kkyyllee]

its clearly a fred, but its a percula

 

[mhhauser321]

so its either a onyx or picasso

 

[jpgwold]

What are the differences in A. percula onyx and picasso?

 

[AquaReeferMan]

Oxyn clowns will have the normal white bars with black covering the rest of the body minus the orange face, fins and tail. Picasso clowns look the same except the white bars look like puzzle pieces.

 

[Atticus]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10326526#post10326526 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mhhauser321
so its either a onyx or picasso

Not necissarily...

To be an "Onyx" it must have black connecting the head, mid, and tail bars. Some say it must also have a black dorsal, but that is not the common definition.

To be picasso it must exhibit extra white markings away from the typical 3 bar pattern.

The only thing this clown is for sure is a beautiful Amphiron Percula with increased mealanistic coloration (aka Black).

 

[triggerfish1976]

"Onyx" is just a marketing tool used in the hobby in order to be able to sell clowns with more black coloration on the body for a higher price than the normal Percs. There is no true rule of thumb as to what seperates an onyx from a regular perc. because everyone who sells them has their own criteria. Rod's onyx which are CB'ed are viewed in some circles as the true "onyx" but other online vendors like LA also sell WC onyx that look just like the ones in the pic.

The term "Picasso" is also a marketing term mainly used by ORA which has been specifically breeding these for some time now. WC specimans are very few and far between thus are generally not considered Piccaso because the general concensus is if it didn't come from ORA then it is not a true Picasso.
The most wide spread characteristics of Picassos are excessive non-uniform white striping patterns but the black coloration is generally not part of the identification requirements since ORA's do not always develop the thicker black stripes.
I have a big WC true Perc. female that has a very odd striping pattern. When I saw it at the LFS I honestly thought that it was a ORA Picasso but it ended up just be an unsual WC Perc. so I only paid $20 for it.

The clown in the pic appears to have irregular striping and excessive black markings so it could technically be a Onyx-Picasso.:lol:

 

[ArgonDreams]

The clown in the pic appears to have irregular striping and excessive black markings so it could technically be a Onyx-Picasso.

Agreed

 

[mhhauser321]

thanks guys

 

[phender]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10327682#post10327682 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
The clown in the pic appears to have irregular striping and excessive black markings so it could technically be a Onyx-Picasso.:lol:

You guys must have x-ray vision.
I don't see how you can tell if the two back stripes are connected by black or if the middle stripe is irregular.

I don't know how you can tell it is any different from the bottom fish in this picture, which is not onyx or picasso (unless you really stretch the picasso definition).

 

[kkyyllee]

i think that just a regular perc and u guys r exxagerating things

 

[Atticus]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10330086#post10330086 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kkyyllee
i think that just a regular perc and u guys r exxagerating things

BBIIIINNNGGOOO

 

[criccio]

I agree with the last three posts, it's an A. percula and there is absolutely no way of telling from that picture whether or not it is any type of variant/misbar.

 

[ArgonDreams]

All Onyx and Picasso is a just a marketing tool for A. Percula's color/stripe vairants. So the above three posts are just as accurate as the previous posts as well. The species everyone agrees is A. Percula.

What is at issue is the black along the back and the odd white stripe in the picture. They both display traits of BOTH the "Onyx" and "Picasso" names for A. Percula. No-one is saying it's a different species.

 

[phender]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10333364#post10333364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ArgonDreams
All Onyx and Picasso is a just a marketing tool for A. Percula's color/stripe vairants.

No, it is really not just a marketing tool. I don't know about onyx, but picasso was in use on this forum before ORA picked it up. They are discriptive names that mean a specific thing. When you start throwing them around in cases like this, they tend to lose their meaning.

An onyx percula is a percula clown with black connecting all the white bars. Since you can't see the tail bar in the fish pictured, you can't say that it is onyx.

A picasso is a percula with an abnormal, if not downright bizarre white striping pattern to the point where they stop being stripes at all. In the fish pictured there is not enough stripe showing to say if it is irregular or not.

This is a prototype picasso: (this is a wild caught fish)

borrowed from the AquaDesignz web page