what is this? zoos ?
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musty baby
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My first guess would be a type of palythoa, but they could be zoanthids
phishcrazee
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The picture's blurry, but they look like brown palythoas to me 
leeweber85
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Super exotic, limited edition, brown people eaters... j/k
Sort of looks like a palythoa, but it's hard to tell without being able to see the skirt and the mouth.
Sort of looks like a palythoa, but it's hard to tell without being able to see the skirt and the mouth.
phishcrazee
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sounds like they may have been dying, but are doing better if they're getting their color back. They may even turn green if they are that type and were just lacking enough light. Palys enjoy being fed, try something like frozen mysis or a few pieces of Formula One, the small pellets. Drop it onto them, and a paly will close up around the food, sort of like a Venus Flytrap
overanalyzer
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fyi's palys also have a mild toxin which cna cause skin rashes or worse in some people. Some folks get a little red mark and some folks go numb.... so be cautious and do some research - and avoid touching them of course!
phishcrazee
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The toxin is only released if the paly is injured, say you're fragging them, etc. so then you would just need to wear gloves. Otherwise, they are fine. The toxin is not mild however, it is one of the deadliest known 
musty baby
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...and it's only one particular species that contains the toxin. Wash your hands if you frag them, try to overcome your burning desire to eat them, etc, and you should be A-OK.
overanalyzer
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8656669#post8656669 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phishcrazee
The toxin is only released if the paly is injured, say you're fragging them, etc. so then you would just need to wear gloves. Otherwise, they are fine. The toxin is not mild however, it is one of the deadliest known
I'll have to dig up my links but the toxin is released anytime the paly is stressed (like when you touch them) and ALL of them are toxic to one level or another --- i know that anthony calfo addressed this in his presentation.....
musty baby
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All right, I'll go along with that. I've never had a problem despite handling my palythoas pretty fragrantly.
Ok, I admit, I meant to type flagrantly and made a typo, but am choosing to ignore it.
That's right, I smell great when handling my palythoas.
Ok, I admit, I meant to type flagrantly and made a typo, but am choosing to ignore it.
That's right, I smell great when handling my palythoas.
overanalyzer
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"A word of caution about Zoanthids:
I must mention the fact that zoanthids are quite toxic. They produce a substance known as palytoxin (Mebs, 1989) that is one of the most toxic naturally occurring poisons known. This substance was first discovered associated with Palythoa spp. in Hawaii, but has since been found in Zoanthus as well (Fosså and Nilsen, 1998). Palytoxin is apparently produced by bacteria that live in association with zoanthids. A fascinating account about the discovery of palytoxin can be found online on the Wet Web Media site, see reference given.
A strange side note to this is the anecdotal observation I reported in my column Reef Notes in FAMA magazine that this toxin or another one associated with zoanthids may be able to be aerosolized. An aquarist trying to rid his live rocks of a species of Protopalythoa decided to remove the rocks and spray boiling water on them to kill them. A friend of his contacted me after the aquarist was in the hospital and in serious condition, the doctors unable to determine what had caused a serious reaction and respiratory distress. I pointed out the possibility of a palytoxin reaction, but was skeptical about the aerosol or "toxic fumes" that the aquarist believed made him become ill suddenly. The aquarist later recovered, but slowly. In any case, one should be extremely careful when handling zoanthids, Protopalythoa and Palythoa spp., in particular. Rinse your hands thoroughly with soap and water immediately after contacting them. "
from: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/invert.htm
Now the toxin is more stable in seawater then out .... http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/Toxins/Palytoxin.html
But from the same advanced aquarist article above: Protopalythoa spp. have toxic mucus that is able to destroy scleractinian coral tissue, so be careful not to place colonies where they are likely to contact stony corals. I'll discuss this toxic mucus in more detail later in the article.
in sufficient doses this will kill (which is why islanders would use it on their spears to kill other islanders).
Because you don't break out doesn't mean anything - it is like posion ivy - most people have some sort of reaction and a small percentage aren't immediately affected.... the more exposure the more likely you will have a reaction....hell my hands get red and itchy just putting my hands in my tank.....
I'd suggest using cheap rubber gloves whenever handling these critters....
I must mention the fact that zoanthids are quite toxic. They produce a substance known as palytoxin (Mebs, 1989) that is one of the most toxic naturally occurring poisons known. This substance was first discovered associated with Palythoa spp. in Hawaii, but has since been found in Zoanthus as well (Fosså and Nilsen, 1998). Palytoxin is apparently produced by bacteria that live in association with zoanthids. A fascinating account about the discovery of palytoxin can be found online on the Wet Web Media site, see reference given.
A strange side note to this is the anecdotal observation I reported in my column Reef Notes in FAMA magazine that this toxin or another one associated with zoanthids may be able to be aerosolized. An aquarist trying to rid his live rocks of a species of Protopalythoa decided to remove the rocks and spray boiling water on them to kill them. A friend of his contacted me after the aquarist was in the hospital and in serious condition, the doctors unable to determine what had caused a serious reaction and respiratory distress. I pointed out the possibility of a palytoxin reaction, but was skeptical about the aerosol or "toxic fumes" that the aquarist believed made him become ill suddenly. The aquarist later recovered, but slowly. In any case, one should be extremely careful when handling zoanthids, Protopalythoa and Palythoa spp., in particular. Rinse your hands thoroughly with soap and water immediately after contacting them. "
from: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/feb2003/invert.htm
Now the toxin is more stable in seawater then out .... http://www.cbwinfo.com/Biological/Toxins/Palytoxin.html
But from the same advanced aquarist article above: Protopalythoa spp. have toxic mucus that is able to destroy scleractinian coral tissue, so be careful not to place colonies where they are likely to contact stony corals. I'll discuss this toxic mucus in more detail later in the article.
in sufficient doses this will kill (which is why islanders would use it on their spears to kill other islanders).
Because you don't break out doesn't mean anything - it is like posion ivy - most people have some sort of reaction and a small percentage aren't immediately affected.... the more exposure the more likely you will have a reaction....hell my hands get red and itchy just putting my hands in my tank.....
I'd suggest using cheap rubber gloves whenever handling these critters....
phishcrazee
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Those are nice purple paly's, imo Have you tried sprinkling some food over them? If they get a little more light, they will shorten up a bit too, it looks like they're really stretching for the light. Experiment with tank placement and see where they like it the best. If you're ever in the IC area, I'll take a few polyps off your hands
You should be fine if you're just moving them around your tank, but do be careful if you want to frag them, just use common sense.
Have you tried sprinkling some food over them? If they get a little more light, they will shorten up a bit too, it looks like they're really stretching for the light. Experiment with tank placement and see where they like it the best. If you're ever in the IC area, I'll take a few polyps off your hands You should be fine if you're just moving them around your tank, but do be careful if you want to frag them, just use common sense.
