What media to use?

CafeReef

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Hello all,

I have an all in one 21g nano, I have 3 available media trays which currently all contain bio rings that were included with the tank.

What media should I be using in each of the three trays? It fills from the bottom and overflows to the compartment for the return pump. I want to ensure that I have the healthiest setup possible, i have enough extra space where I could cut up a filter block and place on top of he third/top tray.

Thanks in advance
 
The first tray (bottom) should be a mechanical filter like filter floss to remover larger particals. In my second tray I have matrix, sinilar to bio rings, which is just some rocks to grow bacteria. and my third (top) compartment has activated carbon and purigen.

What you put in there does depend on what the tank needs though. If you have plenty of live rock there would be litle benefit from the extra bio media. If that's the case you can use the area for more filter floss or some other thing like a media bag of GFO if you wanted/needed to try that to reduce phosphate.
 
Hello all,

I have an all in one 21g nano, I have 3 available media trays which currently all contain bio rings that were included with the tank.

What media should I be using in each of the three trays? It fills from the bottom and overflows to the compartment for the return pump. I want to ensure that I have the healthiest setup possible, i have enough extra space where I could cut up a filter block and place on top of he third/top tray.

Thanks in advance

Personally, I just have Marine Pure and Poly-Filter. Just have the Marine Pure before the Poly-Filter. :)
 
Thanks for the advice.

I have 13lbs of live rock and 20 of live sand. I knew i would need a filter/floss of some type to catch food and waste but didnt know what the bedt combination and what order they should be in. When it comes to carbon, i am assuming that a more coarse grind of carbon in a media bag would be best? Or would a fine grain in a filter/media bag be better?
 
Personally, I would avoid mechanical filtration, because it requires regular maintenance. I would use a good grade of carbon and perhaps some GFO in the media trays. Sachem Matrix seems fine to me, although it's pricey, and BulkReefSupply products seems to get good reviews, too. I don't think the grain size matters, but the flow needs to be low enough that the media isn't ground up.
 
Personally, I would avoid mechanical filtration, because it requires regular maintenance. I would use a good grade of carbon and perhaps some GFO in the media trays. Sachem Matrix seems fine to me, although it's pricey, and BulkReefSupply products seems to get good reviews, too. I don't think the grain size matters, but the flow needs to be low enough that the media isn't ground up.

Bertoni, sorry for what may be a dumb question but what do you mean by "mechanical filtration"?
 
Usually it refers to sponges, filter pads, and so on...I think in this case Bertoni is referring to your bio media. Same thing I said, only I didn't see Bertoni already said it better than I did. :)
 
Wouldn't use bio rings, or any type of bio media...they tend to harbor nitrate.

They don't harbor nitrate, they turn nitrite into nitrate. Which is what your live rock do by the way, so unless you don't use live rock as well, then you ARE using biological filter media.

Some biological filter media can harbor bacteria that convert nitrate to nitrogen gas though, like Marine Pure, btw. So it also depends on the type of media you use.
 
Good last point there...which is why I said Bertoni said it better than I. And I should have said "bio media raises the nitrate level in your tank".

Liverock absolutely does harbor anerobic bacteria - which reduces nitrate, just very slowly. Bio media generally uses aerobic bacteria...which increases nitrates. :)
 
Artificial bio-media do seem to cause a higher nitrate level in some cases, possibly by inhibiting denitrification. There are a few threads here and there on some theories as to why. Personally, I'd avoid most of them, but a few seem to function as live rock, and thus are fine. SeaChem De*Nitrate seems to fall in that category.
 
Nice, thanks, reefwiser! :) It seems that they have come up with a great product there...let's just not confuse them with regular bio media. :)
 
Bertoni, sorry for what may be a dumb question but what do you mean by "mechanical filtration"?
Usually, mechanical filtration refers to catching something with a mesh of some sort, based on size. Sponges, pads, and filter socks all will function as a mechanical filter. Sponges and pads also tend to perform bio-filtration unless cleaned regularly in some way that removes most of the bacteria.
 
Usually, mechanical filtration refers to catching something with a mesh of some sort, based on size. Sponges, pads, and filter socks all will function as a mechanical filter. Sponges and pads also tend to perform bio-filtration unless cleaned regularly in some way that removes most of the bacteria.

Thanks for clarifying.

So it seems to me, that the general consensus is to get rid of of the ceramic bio ring media I have now. Pick up some marine pure biomedia and some carbon and run that. Potentially might keep filter pads on hand for times I meed to do a quick clean of debris in the tank?
 
Good last point there...which is why I said Bertoni said it better than I. And I should have said "bio media raises the nitrate level in your tank".

Liverock absolutely does harbor anerobic bacteria - which reduces nitrate, just very slowly. Bio media generally uses aerobic bacteria...which increases nitrates. :)

Well yes, actually, I guess just not as much as generally necessary, and not in comparable numbers to the others. Hence whilst there is some nitrate reduction, in general most still see nitrates increasing nonetheless with live rock. :P

But anyways, just be careful how you refer to biological media, because it encompasses a large diversity of products. For example, that holder that people get for macroalgae is actually a biological filter media, as it promotes biological filtration through growing macroalgae within itself. Not what people normally think of, but yes, it is in fact a type of biological filtration, and the media to allow its controlled growth is biological filter media.

But anyways, in terms of microbial biological filter media:

Matrix and de-nitrate can also harbor denitrifying bacteria, at a high enough level. Besides Marine Pure, that is. There's a few other products out there that is capable of harboring a relatively large amount of denitrifying bacteria. Sand, of course, is also a potentially major biological filter media that can harbor denitrifying bacteria.

Although the majority of biological filter media do indeed not be able to harbor a large amount of denitrifying bacteria, as, well, one could put a toothpick in the tank and call it a biological filter media, it's not good to blanket-term biological filter media as nitrate factories, because that's too much of a generalization. People will get confused. 'Wait, Marine Pure can lower nitrate, but it is a biological filter media, shouldn't it be a nitrate factory?' would be what happens.

But that's my opinion anyways. You have yours so if you don't agree, that's cool.

As for artificial biological filter media 'do seem to cause a higher nitrate level in some cases', well bertoni gave one reason - inhibition of denitrification, mostly through not creating anaerobic conditions. The other reason is that some artificial media simply is able to harbor much more bacteria than live rock, for example, however this simply means that ammonia and nitrite is being reduced much faster, which just means more nitrate is produced much faster. Either way it is about not having the amount of denitrifying bacteria needed to match the amount of nitrifying bacteria.
 
Thanks for clarifying.

So it seems to me, that the general consensus is to get rid of of the ceramic bio ring media I have now. Pick up some marine pure biomedia and some carbon and run that. Potentially might keep filter pads on hand for times I meed to do a quick clean of debris in the tank?

Sounds good. Usually you won't need to - but if there's quite a lot of gunk, then yeah give it a clean.
 
Agreed...careful how you refer to biological media...because advising newbies with bio rings and bio balls and high nitrates that they should leave these things in there...well, let's just say I run a LOT of nitrate tests and have a lot of hobbyists near tears with their 200+ nitrate tests. ;)

As with anything, grain of salt...and research!!!! ;)
 
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