What rare angel is the least owned?
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bandedangel
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I have a banded that's alive! I know were the kingi pic. originated from, also recently available were a few clipperton's. Debelius are rarely collected and are for the stupidly wealthy "LOL" as so for the peppermint and only in the far east. Personnatus have not been collected for numerous years and even then I believe some folks got in some trouble? and the Nahackyi are never collected. If Marine Aquatics had any kingi's & africanus, I wonder why he couldn't deliver??? think about it folks!
bandedangel
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Let me correct myself,... I was told by a reliable sorce that somebody was blowing smoke as far as kingi's & africanus beeing available in this country.
How about the Black Angelfish (Chaetodontoplus niger) ? It is known from southern Japan and southeast China Sea, with only a few specimens. It was just photographed also in Ogasawara, as shown below for the first record. No aquarium specimen is known.
http://koba-tan.way-nifty.com/topics/cat20488/index.html
http://koba-tan.way-nifty.com/topics/cat20488/index.html
bandedangel
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That's a rare one, I know of a few that were collected but never made it past a few weeks
bandedangel
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Ya there not that nice, they come from the Maldives and some people think they're actually some sort of hybrid??
"Apolemichthys armitagei" is a hybrid of A. trimaculatus (Flagfin) x xanthurus (Indian Smoke), and then it comes mainly from around Maldives, but they are duskier than trimaculatus and some parts are black. They are available on rare occasion in Japan but too expensive for most aquarists.
Genicanthus personatus is a hard to keep for a long period, because they do not accept any food. Some juveniles were raised at Waikiki Aquarium several years ago; tiny juveniles of the genus can be kept successfully, but large adults are much difficult.
Genicanthus personatus is a hard to keep for a long period, because they do not accept any food. Some juveniles were raised at Waikiki Aquarium several years ago; tiny juveniles of the genus can be kept successfully, but large adults are much difficult.
bandedangel
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Armitagei actually show up here in the U.S. a few times a year.
I believe there are a few personatus in Japan. I know for a fact that there's a pair in Hawaii. I think the Waikiki Aquarium has a pair also.
I believe there are a few personatus in Japan. I know for a fact that there's a pair in Hawaii. I think the Waikiki Aquarium has a pair also.
revclyburn
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By far,
the leader is the Peppermint angel. I've been checking that one angel out for months now. And once Nexdog gets rich and sends me one, I'll probably be the only one on the east coast with one. Lol, sorry, but I've been buggying him about that fish for months, thought he might want to get me off his back about it and just send me one, hint, lol
But no really, how could you say no to these:
we all would be drooling and fighting over them
RevClyburn
the leader is the Peppermint angel. I've been checking that one angel out for months now. And once Nexdog gets rich and sends me one, I'll probably be the only one on the east coast with one. Lol, sorry, but I've been buggying him about that fish for months, thought he might want to get me off his back about it and just send me one, hint, lol
But no really, how could you say no to these:
we all would be drooling and fighting over them
RevClyburn
I saw the color morph of Centropyge bispinosa (10cm) from Samoa, and it cost some 600000 Yen in Tokyo some 20 years ago. After someone's purchase it turned a normal coloration in 4-5 weeks. Not all of color variants will turn norm one, however.
Centropyge aurantia (Golden Angel), 5cm from Indonesia. Some 20 years ago it was a rarely sold fish that commanded a very high price but now it is fairly popular, but most will die suddenly without any sign.
Centropyge aurantia (Golden Angel), 5cm from Indonesia. Some 20 years ago it was a rarely sold fish that commanded a very high price but now it is fairly popular, but most will die suddenly without any sign.
Heh, I should grab a pair and try and breed them.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7235382#post7235382 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by revclyburn
By far,
the leader is the Peppermint angel. I've been checking that one angel out for months now. And once Nexdog gets rich and sends me one, I'll probably be the only one on the east coast with one. Lol, sorry, but I've been buggying him about that fish for months, thought he might want to get me off his back about it and just send me one, hint, lol
But no really, how could you say no to these:
we all would be drooling and fighting over them
RevClyburn
triggerfish1976
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I would say Peppermints are the rarest. The last time I checked there were only a handful in captivity and they were mainly in Japanese aquariums.
They are rarely collected and are very difficult to maintain as they tend to not eat prepared foods very well.
I have pretty much seen every angel on the list in a LFS at one point or another but the Peppermint.
They are rarely collected and are very difficult to maintain as they tend to not eat prepared foods very well.
I have pretty much seen every angel on the list in a LFS at one point or another but the Peppermint.
copps
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7229876#post7229876 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus
Great thread guys! What I would do to have a debelius. Would anyone know where to get one? Copps?
The local guy that gets Mauritius shipments including gem tangs and chrysogaster clowns has had debelius available to him before, but for astronimical prices so he passed as their demand is little... unfortunately most peeple who could appreciate them don't have the cash... and I fit into that category!
I'm sure Hiroyuki can comment on this in this thread, as many of the available images of this species are from him!
Brian great to see you here! What a soup of info we have here... Can you elaborate on this guy? The only thing I know is that it was deep and found in Sulawesi, Indo...
Also, have you ever seen any flame/potter hybrids or the blue phase of potter's that Hiroyuki photographed in Japan? I remember getting all excited when I saw a half-black/lemonpeel hybrid (common in the trade) while diving in Micronesia... LD I actually saw a blue potter's available on a wholesaler's list a few years ago for $600... the LFS owner asked me about it, saying "what the **** is a blue potter's?"
Also, beautiful score on the small goldenback trigger... Here's one of the blue potter's images from Hiroyuki Tanaka... woo hoo!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7230219#post7230219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by H.Tanaka
It is just a 3cm long Centropyge boyei. The first specimen I saw (at a retailer in Tokyo) in 1993. Until recently it was called Paracentropyge boylei, but now it is included in Centropyge again, and venusta and multifasciata, too.
Does that mean that Paracentropyge is officially a subgenus? This is my "Poor man's peppermint" Centropyge multifasciatus...
I saw the pair that Frank Baensch of RCT Hawaii had at his facility that he successfully bred before he offered them for sale... I immediately thought it was practice and joked about it with him... while he's got lots of secrets it's not a secret he'd love to breed the peppermints eventually... and there's no reason why it won't eventually be done...
This did indeed turn out to be a scam and some people got taken for alot of money... actually whether or not it was a scam I guess is up in the air... but people put out thousands and no fish were produced...
One of these armitageis is available at www.phishybusiness.com for $900... the Marine Center had one I believe about year ago for $1500...
A. trimaculatus also hybridizes with our buddy A. kingi... that's got to be up there with rare... ever seen one Hiroyuki?
Here's a shot of the juvenile personatus that was raised by the Waikiki Aquarium... I spoke to Charles Delbeek about this and I believe he said it carpet surfed... seriously... I think they've lost their adults too, but I don't remember from my last visit there... I did see the adults they had years ago and they had lost a considerable amount of color... I've since seen another wild captive pair that was just stunning though!
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copps
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How about Saint Paul's Rocks Queen angels! Can anyone comment on where these have been available? This is just nuts... I love these things...
Why do I think of Smurfs when I see this guy?
All white morph...
Koi variety... I'm no geneticist but this has to be the same reason we see this color in inbred koi...
blue morphs...
Why do I think of Smurfs when I see this guy?
All white morph...
Koi variety... I'm no geneticist but this has to be the same reason we see this color in inbred koi...
blue morphs...
triggerfish1976
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Does anyone know of any place where I could get a conspiculatus angel besides The Marine Center?
I don't think any of the LFS in my area would ever get one in even if I special ordered.
I don't think any of the LFS in my area would ever get one in even if I special ordered.
triggerfish1976
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I acctually called Tom and he said that he is not able to get them anymore and does not know when he will find another source. He was acctually the first person I called.
There is a place up in Chicago called Old Town Aquarium that has one and are willing to ship but I was unable to find any reference to them on this website. They also use DHL for shipping which worried me.
There is a place up in Chicago called Old Town Aquarium that has one and are willing to ship but I was unable to find any reference to them on this website. They also use DHL for shipping which worried me.
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