What rare angel is the least owned?
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copps
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Hey Charles! Great to see you here at RC... A couple of questions to pick your brain... can you elaborate on the story behind the H. limbaughi you guys have? I've spoken with both you and Bruce about it (how he had it in his office years ago when it was small), but with all the fish stories I don't remember the details... I think the audience here would appreciate it! Also, what other aquariums have one? FYI here is a shot I took of it a couple of years ago for those who haven't seen them... not the prettiest, but definately one of the least seen shallow water angels...
Also, what can you add about the blue variant of C. potteri that Hiroyuki has photos of? I saw one on a wholesaler's list a few years ago, and the only information I've heard is that they were collected in deep water off of Kona... can you elaborate at all? Also, ever seen a potter's flame hybrid? Again for reference, here is one of the images...
Lastly, have you tapped into Frank about getting a couple of his little debelius angels we talked about earlier in the thread? If not, tell him to make his own water!:rollface:
Sorry to ask so much Charles, but this is revenge for you talking about your commute to work compared to mine in DC here (which consists of walking to work up Waikiki Beach)...:rollface:
Also, what can you add about the blue variant of C. potteri that Hiroyuki has photos of? I saw one on a wholesaler's list a few years ago, and the only information I've heard is that they were collected in deep water off of Kona... can you elaborate at all? Also, ever seen a potter's flame hybrid? Again for reference, here is one of the images...
Lastly, have you tapped into Frank about getting a couple of his little debelius angels we talked about earlier in the thread? If not, tell him to make his own water!:rollface:
Sorry to ask so much Charles, but this is revenge for you talking about your commute to work compared to mine in DC here (which consists of walking to work up Waikiki Beach)...:rollface:
copps
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Apparently Jake submitted it to Tom of justrarefish, as it's on their website in their gallery to this day with the only comment being "submitted by Jake" at this link
Can you elaborate on this fish only system? I found it odd and a bit comical the aquascaping of driftwood and fake corals in a system with thosands of dollars in fish...
Can you elaborate on this fish only system? I found it odd and a bit comical the aquascaping of driftwood and fake corals in a system with thosands of dollars in fish...
Mark
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That would be Tom's tank back in 2000/20001. I have more pics at home I can upload. His collection at the time was pretty amazing. It was definitely set up as a Fish-Only with no live rock or other inverts, so that he could treat the tank with medication if needed. Other fish missing from that picture, are a full grown interruptus, 3 Conspics(I think 3, maybe only 2), wrought iron butterfly, and some others.
In the pic you posted, you can see a flagfin/goldflake hybrid behind the gemmatum.
Tom's a nice guy in person, he donated a Hotumatuas Angel for our annual reef conference to be raffled off(saltwateru.com).
In the pic you posted, you can see a flagfin/goldflake hybrid behind the gemmatum.
Tom's a nice guy in person, he donated a Hotumatuas Angel for our annual reef conference to be raffled off(saltwateru.com).
Vili_Shark
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Hi,
Brian Greene have B.sanguineus right now?
Brian Greene have B.sanguineus right now?
copps
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Yeah he has a few more images there... you could see the armatagei, two conspics, and the wrought iron... phishybusiness has had a wrought iron and an armatagei both for a while now that have gone through price drops...
Any word on the outcome of the hotamatuas? Actually Charles or anyone else who can elaborate... I've never seen them successfully kept at warm temperatures... can you elaborate on your experience Charles?
Vili Shark... contact Brian through his site at www.twilightaquatics.net where he has them listed as "coming soon, reserve yours today"
Any word on the outcome of the hotamatuas? Actually Charles or anyone else who can elaborate... I've never seen them successfully kept at warm temperatures... can you elaborate on your experience Charles?
Vili Shark... contact Brian through his site at www.twilightaquatics.net where he has them listed as "coming soon, reserve yours today"
coralite
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Back then Tom's tank was a 220 or so. It had the largest available eheim canister filter on it, about the size of a 5 gallon bucket, a lg size sump with bioballs and a puny skimmer w/ozone and a generously sized UV sterilizer. Even though the equipment seemed undersized he maintained it religiously and he performed weekly water changes.
I found another image of the sanguineus w/ a nice headshot. Keep in mind that the captive rarity of the species he kept was much higher when he had them and he collected many fish species before their descriptions were available in popular literature. can you name all of the other fish in the image? there are 12 in all. BTW, his tank was not that crowded, its just that 90% of the fish were in 10% of the tank in anticipation of being fed.
I found another image of the sanguineus w/ a nice headshot. Keep in mind that the captive rarity of the species he kept was much higher when he had them and he collected many fish species before their descriptions were available in popular literature. can you name all of the other fish in the image? there are 12 in all. BTW, his tank was not that crowded, its just that 90% of the fish were in 10% of the tank in anticipation of being fed.
Vili_Shark
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For the long term , It's quite loaded for a 220G tank no matter how you look at it, but he keeps a sterile enviroment there.
Is this tank still exist?
Very impressive collection though , reminds me a lot of the aquariums you can see in Hong Kong and China.
When was the last time anybody spotted hotumatua for sale?
They're usualy out for sale around December, but I didnt see or heard of any on last winter.
I e-mailed Mr.Greene hope to get an answer soon.
Is this tank still exist?
Very impressive collection though , reminds me a lot of the aquariums you can see in Hong Kong and China.
When was the last time anybody spotted hotumatua for sale?
They're usualy out for sale around December, but I didnt see or heard of any on last winter.
I e-mailed Mr.Greene hope to get an answer soon.
That tank looks more like an overcrowded jail cell than an aquarium. 
I forgot one fish on my list ... Wraught Iron Butterflyfish, we had four at one time.
The Clipperton Angel was collected in 1998 at 100' using handnets and hand carried back by air ... a very tough fish. They are very common there at all depths.
The blue striped Potter's I have never seen .. we do have one on display for over 10 years that looks similar but not like that pic.
The Debelius are from the Indian Ocean ... we only display Pacific Ocean fish. Frank has only had a limited run of these fish so far. They have a VERY long larval period .... over 100 days.
Aloha!
Charles
I forgot one fish on my list ... Wraught Iron Butterflyfish, we had four at one time.
The Clipperton Angel was collected in 1998 at 100' using handnets and hand carried back by air ... a very tough fish. They are very common there at all depths.
The blue striped Potter's I have never seen .. we do have one on display for over 10 years that looks similar but not like that pic.
The Debelius are from the Indian Ocean ... we only display Pacific Ocean fish. Frank has only had a limited run of these fish so far. They have a VERY long larval period .... over 100 days.
Aloha!
Charles
coralite
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Toms fish really did have quite a bit of room to move but they crowded in to the same spot to compete for food.
I thought the waikiki clipperton was from the 1998 collection. from what I can recall, about 50 were collected by a gentleman working out of Florida. I think roughly 15 were sold stateside for around $3500 and the majority of the remainder were sold in Japan for $5000. Tom purchased a pair and FWIW, the 5-6" fish he had were GORGEOUS! They were lustrous blue with shiny lavender faces, a metallic blue edge on the margin of the dorsal and anal fins and a bright white tail. How large is the waikiki specimen and is it really as drab as the picture shows?
It seems counterintuitive that a fish with an isolated distribution such as the debelius angel would have such a long larval period. With a 100 days to float in the plankton wouldnt debelius angels occur over a broader range? That is unless the currents are unfavorable for distributing larvae to suitable settling sites but then wouldnt the species evolve to have a shorter larval duration?
I thought the waikiki clipperton was from the 1998 collection. from what I can recall, about 50 were collected by a gentleman working out of Florida. I think roughly 15 were sold stateside for around $3500 and the majority of the remainder were sold in Japan for $5000. Tom purchased a pair and FWIW, the 5-6" fish he had were GORGEOUS! They were lustrous blue with shiny lavender faces, a metallic blue edge on the margin of the dorsal and anal fins and a bright white tail. How large is the waikiki specimen and is it really as drab as the picture shows?
It seems counterintuitive that a fish with an isolated distribution such as the debelius angel would have such a long larval period. With a 100 days to float in the plankton wouldnt debelius angels occur over a broader range? That is unless the currents are unfavorable for distributing larvae to suitable settling sites but then wouldnt the species evolve to have a shorter larval duration?
Our fish did not come from that collection of fish, they were from someone working with the Smithsonian on a research trip to Clipperton Island ... it was not a commercial collection trip. I know the one you are talking about though.x
Ours is now about 10 inches or so ... juveniles are more colourful ... ours is a deep metallic blue with a small white spot on each side and very large, broad white caudal fin, and white pelvics. The juveniles have two blue strips through the head plus the really small ones have blue vertical body bars and a "crown"; common in this genus.
To answer a previous poster ... this is the only one on display in the world as far as I know. The Birch Aquarium in San Diego had one but it died several years ago. I don't know if any hobbyists have this fish in the private aquaria. Anybody know of anyone who has one? Tanaka-san ... anyone in Asia?
The long larval stage could simply be a result of not providing the proper settlement cues or some other environmental condition. It is very common for the settlement time to become shorter and the number of fry to increase, as rearing methods are adjusted and improved.
Aloha!
JCD
Ours is now about 10 inches or so ... juveniles are more colourful ... ours is a deep metallic blue with a small white spot on each side and very large, broad white caudal fin, and white pelvics. The juveniles have two blue strips through the head plus the really small ones have blue vertical body bars and a "crown"; common in this genus.
To answer a previous poster ... this is the only one on display in the world as far as I know. The Birch Aquarium in San Diego had one but it died several years ago. I don't know if any hobbyists have this fish in the private aquaria. Anybody know of anyone who has one? Tanaka-san ... anyone in Asia?
The long larval stage could simply be a result of not providing the proper settlement cues or some other environmental condition. It is very common for the settlement time to become shorter and the number of fry to increase, as rearing methods are adjusted and improved.
Aloha!
JCD
Aquabucket
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I would have to say any fish collected by Richard Pyle. I was fortunate to see him speak and later had dinner with him. He's been offered up to $25,000 for some of the angels he's found even though most of what is collected at those depths does very poorly in captivity.
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