What's Going On??
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Sanjay
Premium Member
Fizz, you would definatley get my vote !! No one has worked as hard as you have in the last 2 years, especially when it comes to being the face of the organization. There are other who have worked and prefered to stay behind the scenes.
What is rather unfortunate and tragic is that people who care have got to the point that you refer to above.
sanjay.
bmkindig
New member
hey
why are we playing these childish games?the decidion about ncpars sponsoring this swap came with a high price tag but it was voted on and sometimes we butt heads at 1 time or another but we still have prenty of time becofe the swap to iron things out this happens before every swap!!!!!!!!it's human nature to wait till the last minute!!!!!!!!
there is no need to be posted the politicail stuff online,when it comes to it ,it's always about the money.
why are we playing these childish games?the decidion about ncpars sponsoring this swap came with a high price tag but it was voted on and sometimes we butt heads at 1 time or another but we still have prenty of time becofe the swap to iron things out this happens before every swap!!!!!!!!it's human nature to wait till the last minute!!!!!!!!
there is no need to be posted the politicail stuff online,when it comes to it ,it's always about the money.
dweakl01
In Memoriam
I realize I'm not a member of NCPARS, but this is exactly the type of behavior tha thas kept me out of all reef clubs. I realize I am missing out on a lot of great benefits and friendships, but I know many of you, and have developed these friendships without the political overhead displayed above. Its so sad to see somethig that should be a good thing go wrong.
That's just fine dweakl01, we all certainly hope for new members, but it's only a benefit to the club if it's beneficial to you! We welcome people posting, coming to swaps, etc., and the more involved people are (formally or not) the better. My typical reaction is that 90% of the unfortunate events are misunderstandings or things that didn't need to be said in the way they were. Email and posts lend themselves to misunderstanding sometimes.
Hopefully we'll be doing some different things in the next year after some new and old people are elected at the swap, like perhaps adding another swap, putting smaller groups of people who live in one area in contact with each other to get some more of a personal aspect to the club, supporting more educational stuff... and hopefully all that will give people an opportunity to want to get involved.
Hopefully we'll be doing some different things in the next year after some new and old people are elected at the swap, like perhaps adding another swap, putting smaller groups of people who live in one area in contact with each other to get some more of a personal aspect to the club, supporting more educational stuff... and hopefully all that will give people an opportunity to want to get involved.
poconofishy
New member
I feel the need to express myself here a little. My husband and I travel quite a bit within the region to see friends and family in different areas. These visits usually coincide with different marine club events. (Ok, the real reason we go is for the meetings and events, but please don't tell our friends and family) We hold membership in other clubs besides NCPARS and have attended meetings and events sponsored by a number of different clubs. Many other NCPARS members do the same.
I think NCPARS is BY FAR the best and definately my favorite. NCPARS activities are the most organized and professionally run of any clubs I have attended. The events are high quality and extremely enjoyable. There has to be a tremendous amount of work that goes on behind the scenes, to produce such high quality and I would like to thank all the people who make that happen.
I have never experienced any cattiness between members at any NCPARS event. The people are very friendly and there are many good and generous aquarists (novice to expert) who participate and will go out of their way to help you. Many go above and beyond. I have met and talked with so many wonderful people (and most are as happy as I am too "fish speak" with a "reef geek"). I strongly encourage anyone who lurks to consider becoming members. You won't regret it and it is money and time well spent.
Fragswapper.com alone, makes swaps and meeting people so much easier (try attending a swap that doesn't use it and you will see how great it truly is). It also allows everyone to participate, you don't need to know anyone to set up a swap, and have the opportunity to exchange knowledge and experience with another aquarist, who you may not have met otherwise.
I cannot say enough good things about this group. Please do not let any of the miscommunications that have happened discourage anyone. These are all good people, who share a common passion, in an organization that has been very successful and hopefully will only get better and better.
I think NCPARS is BY FAR the best and definately my favorite. NCPARS activities are the most organized and professionally run of any clubs I have attended. The events are high quality and extremely enjoyable. There has to be a tremendous amount of work that goes on behind the scenes, to produce such high quality and I would like to thank all the people who make that happen.
I have never experienced any cattiness between members at any NCPARS event. The people are very friendly and there are many good and generous aquarists (novice to expert) who participate and will go out of their way to help you. Many go above and beyond. I have met and talked with so many wonderful people (and most are as happy as I am too "fish speak" with a "reef geek"). I strongly encourage anyone who lurks to consider becoming members. You won't regret it and it is money and time well spent.
Fragswapper.com alone, makes swaps and meeting people so much easier (try attending a swap that doesn't use it and you will see how great it truly is). It also allows everyone to participate, you don't need to know anyone to set up a swap, and have the opportunity to exchange knowledge and experience with another aquarist, who you may not have met otherwise.
I cannot say enough good things about this group. Please do not let any of the miscommunications that have happened discourage anyone. These are all good people, who share a common passion, in an organization that has been very successful and hopefully will only get better and better.
keeperofcorals
In Memoriam
Great post poconofishy. Glad to see when others care and offer hope to those who maybe be frustrated or worried.
----Rich----
----Rich----
shimmy_yaz
Platinum Member
Yes thanks for the kind words and I will definitly keep what you say in mind.
ctsieber
Premium Member
its really ashame that its come to this point for you Fizz. I wish you would run again. The club couldnt have a better president, nor a more active one! Posts like the one that started this thread are uncalled for. ANYONE with abit of common sence would realize that a NONPROFIT organization would have to show where every penny is spent plane and simple.
poconofishy
New member
For what it's worth...
I am only speaking for myself here, ...and I do consider myself a relatively intelligent and well-rounded person, however, that would not have automatically occurred to me on a good day, let alone when I was under a fair amount of stress.
...just another point of view.
My personal opinion is that it was another attempt to drive a wedge between the members and the current BOD.
I certainly hope most of the current BOD, especially Fizz, has a last minute change of heart to run again.
Thanks for the kind words about the club Michelle. We are glad you enjoy your membership.
Jon
ctsieber
Premium Member
as do I, perfect example as to the reason why was at TFP. Fizz was there the whole time. I would have loved to have been there to help out, But I am an assistant basketball coach for ceader cliff and we were at a tourny both days. BUT I did make it there by 5:00 saturday.
Critter
Premium Member
I'm not a memeber... read on
NCPARS is a product, and though the package is pretty and nicely put together, if you shake it a little, you will find that there are broken pieces. I don't customarly buy broken products... fix the product and I will be the first in line to purchase. until then, I would suggest you keep the manufactoring problems away from the public eye. If you want more customers to buy into NCPARS then you can't just open up your product to everyone and show all the problems their is with it. Get the members in a closed door situation, fix the problems, then reintroduce your product to the community.
NCPARS is a product, and though the package is pretty and nicely put together, if you shake it a little, you will find that there are broken pieces. I don't customarly buy broken products... fix the product and I will be the first in line to purchase. until then, I would suggest you keep the manufactoring problems away from the public eye. If you want more customers to buy into NCPARS then you can't just open up your product to everyone and show all the problems their is with it. Get the members in a closed door situation, fix the problems, then reintroduce your product to the community.
there's really nothing more that I can add to this except that I hope someone is paying attention and realizes that there's just no way any of this stuff should have been posted. You're all to blame. You need to keep this kind of stuff behind closed doors, on the phone, AIM, whatever, just keep it of RC.
I'm not a member anymore, now I just lurk.
I'm not a member anymore, now I just lurk.
sixpackrt
New member
i also agree this should of been taken up with the board by email
not posted on a public forum it is no ones bussiness outside of ncpars club whats going on period.not the members of reefnest and not to anyone that reads our fourm this was between mo and the board
he shouldnt have posted what he posted period its the boards job dealing with stuff like this not ours.there is money involved and we need the paper work to prove what we spend it on if you dont. you want to go to jail?i know i dont.
shimmy_yaz
Platinum Member
Wow well said! I really like the analogy used here. It is definitly true.
Fizz71
FragSwapper
I don't know...I don't see NCPARS as a "product"...maybe that's where all the issue is. I see my dues as going into a pot that will be used to fund events. Instead of me throwing in a few dollars in the donation cup (which we had done in the past) or having high entry fees...I pay to the club and get in for free.
I had thought that as NCPARS grows and got more donations for raffles or projects it would become even better and better of a club, but when I think of a product, I think that I'm getting something tangible in return. I don't expect something tangible from NCPARS. We're just a group of people who share the love of the same hobby.
I can kind of see your point, but I guess I just never thought of a club as a product. But hey...we all think differently.
--Fizz
I had thought that as NCPARS grows and got more donations for raffles or projects it would become even better and better of a club, but when I think of a product, I think that I'm getting something tangible in return. I don't expect something tangible from NCPARS. We're just a group of people who share the love of the same hobby.
I can kind of see your point, but I guess I just never thought of a club as a product. But hey...we all think differently.
--Fizz
I guess I speak here. It was not just a paperwork issue only in this case and it is more of being afraid of history repeating again issue and did not want to see that again. Why just mentioning that it was an invoice issue and not the rest of the fact that we don't like promisses to move and do something and then we get stuck with it. Those who think that it should've not been posted in REEFNEST then I should say that we don't keep stuff behind the door between those who are involved there. There are people who are involved and they need to know. If we start keeping stuff and not telling those who are involved then we need to have a closed door club. I'm not saying that few stuff are not hidden and is mainly emails between BOD and phone calls and how we go back and furth to resolve issues. I posted so we are ready for it in case if this did not go through and I have gotten hit with promisses before and got stuck with paying. The invoice is faxed and is on its way. We really appreciate NCPARS help and sponsor of this meeting. We will have a great meeting guys so lets keep moving to the next step and get ready for the meeting.
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