What's wrong with my jawfish?

JaneG

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I bought a jawfish pair online about a week ago (it was my first online purchase ever). I asked for their oldest pair (which they supposedly gave me), as QT can be stressful for jawfish- additionally, the tanks run UV, are medicated and this supplier has an amazing track record. The pair was shipped together in a bag (!!), and one of them died during the shipment but the other made it. I did a very fast acclimation (30 minutes after a 15 minute temperature acclimation) on him and added him to the tank- my reasoning was that the ammonia spike would be very harmful, and as far as I know, the ammonia levels get bad in about 30 minutes after opening the bag.

After adding him, he was stressed out, but not horridly. He went to the back corner of the tank and stayed there for a little (not hiding under rocks, etc.) I fed (as I noticed he had already started eating some pods). This piqued his interested, and after I was done feeding, he moved up into the water column as if looking for more food to eat. He slowly started to move around the tank, still high up in the water column, until he reached the overflow box. He tried to jump into it, but I had already anticipated this and put mesh on it so he couldn't. He flopped around for a second on it, fell back into the tank and immediately darted for a cave in the tank.

The first day he started to burrow inside the cave (very little burrowing- not even close to what my first yellowhead did), and ate a little. For whatever reason, things have gone downhill from then. He stopped what little burrowing he had done on the third day and only would stick his head out of the right side opening of the cave, with slightly labored breathing. I asked Fenner on WWM and he said it was most likely due to the extreme shipping stress. Well, for whatever reason, things have gotten worse as opposed to better. His breathing has gotten much faster now, and he is starting to lose his appetite. His body is clean of any problems, and he hasn't been scratching. The main symptoms are labored breathing, inactivity and loss of appetite- in other words, it could literally be anything. Normally I would move him to a QT tank, but I'm sure that the stress from that would do him in and I have no idea what I could do differently.

Could this have been from stressful shipping? He's the only fish in the tank, so I know he isn't getting bullied. Additionally, my water quality is good enough for SPS corals so I know that isn't the problem. He also has a 3" depth substrate with crushed corals, fine sand and everything. I feel so awful watching him go downhill and not having a clue what I could do. I even fed today and he didn't eat at all - his interest was piqued a little but he just couldn't muster up enough to grab the food and was intimidated by even my cleaner shrimp. Yesterday he ate some, but not as readily as earlier. Could it be flukes? He's not showing any other symptoms (no shaking, no discoloration, no fraying, no cloudy eyes), however, and Scott Michael says that yellowheads are particularly resistant to ailments. It's sort of morbid, but I had frozen the dead body of the one that was shipped along with him, and just dethawed it and dipped it in freshwater to see if anything would come off (I've heard that flukes will still come off even after being frozen). Nothing came off the body- I'm really confused and frustrated! Any suggestions? :(
 
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Sorry - double post! I have no idea how to remove this message. However, I guess I should add that I also saw him poop and it was normal.
 
IMO nothing more you can do right now except wait for more (visible) symptoms. I'm not gonna give you the "you should of QT'd speech" but keep your eye on the other tank inhabitants for symptoms as well.
 
IMO nothing more you can do right now except wait for more (visible) symptoms. I'm not gonna give you the "you should of QT'd speech" but keep your eye on the other tank inhabitants for symptoms as well.

Thanks for the post. He is all alone in the tank actually so I can't really look for symptoms unfortunately! I have a QT tank set up (it's for fw right now but empty) and a sponge filter so I could certainly QT but I don't know what I would treat for. I don't even know if he'll make it through the night...I have no idea how he has survived since Thursday of last week.
 
If anything, he seems worse this morning. He moved to a different cave where my cleaner shrimp hang out. He seems to be breathing even faster than before....literally about 2 times per second or so. He didn't even come out for food. I can see him clearly though. One of my cleaner shrimp gave birth last night so I'll hope he eats those if he can.
 
If anything, he seems worse this morning. He moved to a different cave where my cleaner shrimp hang out. He seems to be breathing even faster than before....literally about 2 times per second or so. He didn't even come out for food. I can see him clearly though. One of my cleaner shrimp gave birth last night so I'll hope he eats those if he can.

I would catch him and give him a f/w bath. At least if he has parasites/worms, this will provide some temporary relief and give him a fighting chance. Just use RODI water and make sure the pH/temp matches your DT. What do you have to lose at this point?
 
I would catch him and give him a f/w bath. At least if he has parasites/worms, this will provide some temporary relief and give him a fighting chance. Just use RODI water and make sure the pH/temp matches your DT. What do you have to lose at this point?

I came home and he is literally just on the substrate, breathing heavily. I am preparing the water right now.
 
I would catch him and give him a f/w bath. At least if he has parasites/worms, this will provide some temporary relief and give him a fighting chance. Just use RODI water and make sure the pH/temp matches your DT. What do you have to lose at this point?
I'm going to do that right now. He's gotten even worse, breathing super quickly, resting in the open substrate, and not even eating live baby shrimps!
The cleaner shrimp tried to clean him, and he was so stressed that he let it happen (usually he freaks if a cleaner gets near him). I tried garlic soaked prepared food and he completely ignored it. The color around his eyes has faded (it used to be bright blue) and his general colors are very faded. I feel so bad for him! :( I'm sure the dip will either make it or break it for him...
 
It could just have been the stress he was under during the shipping and he never got over it. Hope he makes it though.
 
I'm sorry to say this, but it is probably not going to make it.

They should NEVER have been shipped together in the same bag. I hope they at least offer a guarantee. In this case I would try and talk them into a refund as they are obviously incapable of shipping this type of fish properly.

They lose their color when stressed. If you were a fish in a 4-6 inch bag and you got beat up for hours and hours, won the fight, then had to sit in ammonia for several more hours you would have a hard time too. This is sad, very sad.
 
I FW dipped him. I matched the temp and ph exactly. As soon as I added him to the dip, he immediately turned a dark grey coloration, and went on his side gasping. I only did it for a minute in a half, because I know any further and he would be dead. :( As I expected, nothing came off. I'm almost certainly this is post shipping stress. I feel just awful for the little guy. I added him back to the tank and he is currently at the top of the water column gasping... He's no longer dark grey but is still a very very pale color. I'm almost positive he won't make it overnight (if not dying within the next few hours). Should I consider clove oil or is that too much at this point?... :( I feel sooo guilty, I just want him to feel comfortable on his way out.
 
I would catch him and give him a f/w bath. At least if he has parasites/worms, this will provide some temporary relief and give him a fighting chance. Just use RODI water and make sure the pH/temp matches your DT. What do you have to lose at this point?

No. Freshwater bath works for flukes and oodinium, it does NOT work for cryptocaryon.
 
They should NEVER have been shipped together in the same bag. I hope they at least offer a guarantee. In this case I would try and talk them into a refund as they are obviously incapable of shipping this type of fish properly.

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Yes, they were not properly shipped. Which is a point I made previously. If I ever received two fish in one shipping bag, I would never do business with that company again.
 
Yes, they were not properly shipped. Which is a point I made previously. If I ever received two fish in one shipping bag, I would never do business with that company again.

What makes you think it's ich? I know it is sometimes not visible...but at the same time, I'm not seeing any scratching (although I don't even know if he has the strength to itch). Thank you for your help. Here's the best video I could get:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCK9OIQTHRs&feature=channel_video_title

He's moved a little. When his gills open and close he opens them so big I can literally see the red insides... what would you do if you were in my position? Because at this point I can't think of anything else to do. :(
 
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What on earth is going on? He has literally for the past few hours been hovering in the water column, acting no different. Should I just put him down?
 
Well, this morning I woke up to find my scarlet red hermit crab eating the body. :( In a way I knew that he was a lost cause, and I'm sure that it was because he went downhill ever since the bad shipment. I just hope he felt comfortable when he went.
 
Sorry to hear about that. It kind of ****es one off when we put so much energy into a new addition only to have it go bad so quickly.
 
Sorry to hear about that. It kind of ****es one off when we put so much energy into a new addition only to have it go bad so quickly.
Exactly...
I wasn't going to QT because I thought jawfish were highly disease resistant - I guess I've learned, yet again, QT everything!! It doesn't help that I was going to QT every fish thereafter...lol. I wonder if I should be fallow before trying again or to just run carbon and do a wc. The logical side of me says I should be fallow though...but I'm highly tempted by a blue spotted jawfish at my quality LFS that is only $40. However, Bob Fenner even recommends against quarantine as disease is so uncommon for Opistognathids.
 
No. Freshwater bath works for flukes and oodinium, it does NOT work for cryptocaryon.

Since the OP didn't know for sure what was stressing the Jawfish, all options were on the table. Heavy breathing is a symptom of just about anything and everything - crypto, oodinium, flukes, ammonia poisoning, etc. Doing a f/w bath was a shot it the dark, but since the Jawfish seemed to just be getting worse and worse, it was still better than doing nothing at all IMO.

To the OP: Sorry for your loss. As others have already suggested, demand a refund and never do business with these clowns ever again. Call the BBB if you don't get satisfaction and let others know on here about your experience with this vendor.
 
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