When to add clean up crew

BigBlue187

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I have had my tank up and running for alittle over a week now. I have one clownfish he has been in the tank for about a day and a half and I was woundering when I can add a cleanup crew.

I know you use snails and hermit crabs but how many should I put in a 14g bio cube?
 
Whoa, slow down a bit. If your clownfish is still alive, you might want to consider returning it to the LFS and maybe exchange it for a damselfish (if you insist on having a fish in there at this point.)

I doubt if your tank is cycled yet. A damsel is one of the few fish that can live thru and help in the cycling process of a new tank. You can also add a small piece of fresh shrimp to help the tank cycle. There are a lot of good threads here on RC about the nitrogen cycle of a new tank. Homework and patience are two very key elements in the success of a saltwater tank.

Research is most important. It shouldn't take more than 2 weeks for a 14g tank to cycle. If you haven't added live rock yet, you should add a few pounds now. The beneficial bacteria found on live rock is a definate plus to the tank.

There are so many things to do before adding livestock ( whether fish or a cleanup crew to a new tank.

A very helpful thing is to find the reef club in your area, or go to any of the club forums for help and advice. There are great people here on RC willing to help.
 
The guy at the LFS was the one who told me to put the clown fish in the tank to help cycle it.

I already have about 6 pounds of live rock in the tank. I had the water tested Dec. 30 and everything tested ok. Well that was what the guy at the fish store told me anyways.

Sould I stop going to this fish store?
 
The guy at your LFS is an idiot! No big surprise though. Hopefully the clown will make it through. :( Keep testing for ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate and hope the cycle is quick. Normal cycles can take a month. Only after you have NO trace of ammonia or nitrite then you are safe to add a cleanup crew. I'd then even wait a week or so. You are in the right place as far as research goes. Keep reading and learning and you'll have success. Remember, your LFS needs to make their monthly goals. Take what they say with a grain of salt. ;)
 
Thank you guys so much:D I'm done going to that fish store.

So sould I just keep adding live rock to my tank?

The guy at the LFS also told me not to do water changes while the tank is cycling is this right?
 
i highly doubt after a week than your tank has successfully cycled.
but with that amount of LR, its still an outsider possibility.

adding more uncured LR into your tank will only cause another cycle so in that case i would return the clown if you decided to add more LR.


doing water changes will speed up a cycle, also concidering that its not necassary to do one during cycles. but with a 14g i wouldnt do more than around 15-20% water change during high amonia and nitrite.



goodluck
 
So I shouldn't add any more live rock until my tank is completly cycled?

I started my tank 12-23-06 so it should be cycled 1-23-07 right that would be a month.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8864711#post8864711 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BigBlue187
So I shouldn't add any more live rock until my tank is completly cycled?

I started my tank 12-23-06 so it should be cycled 1-23-07 right that would be a month.

If you do add more live rock you better make sure its cured. Otherwise your gonna get another cycle and kill that poor fish.
 
I would return the fish to the store, and just put a shrimp in. That is what I did because I am close to the end of my cycle and worried about apastia. he is doing great. shrimp are more hardy than clownfish.
 
I think what I'm going to do is take the fish back. Then I'm going to put in all of the live rock. Then wait for a couple weeks then have my water checked. Then I will go out and see about getting a fish or a shrimp. Would any kind of shrimp work?

How much LR should I put in my tank? It is a 14g.
 
I have ben told that a mix o f shrimp is good, because they all serve different functions. They eat different things. Peppermint shrimp eat aiptasia. Fire shrimp will eat parasites and clean your fish, cleaner shrimp "clean". I personally, am getting one of each. It gives you more legs to stand on. Diversity is good.
 
Yeah, you need to test your water yourself. Get yourself a good book too, like Natural Reef Aquariums by Tullock. That will explain the ins and outs of aquarium keeping so you get off to a good start.

For my part, a 14 gal tank is too small for a beginner.
 
Yeah most newbs think small SW tank is perfect to learn on but its actually quite the oposite. The bigger your tank the easier it is to keep stable. Small tanks can reach dangerous levels within hours.
 
Yea, 14g is going to be hard to keep everything in line parameter-wise. I had always heard to buy the largest tank you could afford because it is easier to keep the water quality good. I guess he could install a 75 or 90g sump for that 14g nano. That should help.
 
no point discouraging him.....he already has his 14 and i'm sure he will make it work

how much rock depends on what kind of rock....fiji is usually 1.5 lbs per gallon
 
I hope my post helps since I know starting this is SO overwhelming! I read on RC for about a year before I started into this hobby. I originally was going to do a 55g (which i finally am now) but with budgets in mind and an impulse buy at the LFS I got a 12g Aquapod- probably very similar to your tank just a tad bit smaller.

I knew it would be a little more difficult to keep than a larger tank- smaller amount of water = more things can go wrong. For an example, lets say you have one fish. If one fish poops in 12g of water, its going to probably stink a lot more and for longer than if a fish poos in 55g of water - because of things like that little tanks take weekly water changes of slightly larger proportions (20-30% maybe? you will feel out what is right for your tank) ..

That aside, test kits test kits test kits. I cannot emphasize this enough! And something to measure your water's salinity (how salty it is)... A hydrometer will get you by, a refractometer is better.

Now I recommend at least once a week checking your salinity (1.025 give or take a .001 or so), pH (8.2ish is good) on a regular basis.
While cycling you want to test for Ammonia which will spike first- then bacteria from the LR will eat the ammonia and produce nitrite - that should spike second while the ammonia begisn to fall and go to 0. The nitrates may spike ... Once Ammonia, Nitrite are 0 and Nitrates are <10ppm, it is probably safe to put in a clean up crew.

I kept my tank goin for a bout a month and had cured LR from the LFS (in a small tank its so easy to transport 10-15 lbs of LR from the store) and never saw a cycle despite testing every other day for those things.


If your water isn't showing any signs of anything going on you could *try* to keep the fish, but if you're unsure go ahead and let the LFS hold onto him .. sometimes you will only get a mini cycle or will need something to start your cycle. You could add a little bit of flake food or a cocktail shrimp (remove shrimp once ammonia shows) to the tank to decay and create a catalyst for the ammonia.

But like I said once everything is 0 you're good to go. I recommend maybe 1-2 nassarius snails, 2-3 margarita snails and maybe 3-4 hermit crabs (the mexican ones are good but the full name eludes me right now)

Let your tank adjust to these critters and if you feel you must feed them just put a tiny amount of food in the tank.

In a week or so you could probably then add your clown if that is what you want to keep... you could also probably put in a shrip like a skunk cleaner shrimp- really cool friendly guy that'll hop on your hand if you let him.

The *best* possible course of action is to just go slowly. There's a lot of unseen biological and chemical changes that take place in a little tank like that and even the larger tanks too. A huge ocean can handle them but we need to pace ourselves despite how exciting everything is!

Also for your LFS, call the person an idiot or not but the burden of responsibility of our tanks falls on us, the aquarist. If you can do your homework and avoid impulse buys before deciding on a purchase - or to be able to confirm or deny a claim made by a fish store- not everyone is right all of the time and no LFS is equal - than you could still have a pleasant experience.

On a personal note, if you can, I would avoid recommending large chain pet stores unless you have a truly reputable one in your area. They tend to cater toward the masses and unless they have very knowledgable staff, chances are what you buy from them won't have a good chance of making it in your tank and you're better off starting out with happy, healthy specimens.

Truly hope this helps, and happy new year!
 
Thank you chrisstie that helped out a lot. I'm going to go out and buy a test kit this week. I want to thank every one else for all the helpful info.
 
BTW, since you have a clownfish, Joyce Wilkersons book, "Clownfishes" has some hood ifno on keeping a pair of clowns in a smaller tank. Good setup and maintenance info for that size tank too.
 
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