Who has really colorful acros under leds?

[Moser]

Wow!.

Hats off to you. I don't think anybody can pick fault here. You know how to keep SPS under LED's. It looks awesome.

Keep it up. That Hawkins' is a beautiful piece!. :uzi:

Mo

 

[tdb320reef]

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Wow I cannot believe I missed this. Now that is a serious reef with great color. I cant wait until I get there. How many watts is that? what fixtures?

Thanks.

 

[power boat jim]

So now after reading this thread nothing about light and spectrum seem clear anymore. It has been bantered about for years that the 420 nm is the spectrum thats missing from leds that is the cause of poor coloration and growth in sps coral. Yet here is a case where a person has his tank looking well and has noted its the white leds that seem to control the growth rate of the coral and the blues tend to govern the coloration. White leds have no 420 mn spectrum in them or if they do its very very limited amount. If i am misunderstanding the above posts I apologize. This just seems to fly in the face of what everyone thought was the holy grail for spectrum for sps growth and health.

 

[dknuckles]

Please excuse the iPhone pics. Working 7days/wk not much coral playtime
I agree w/ tdb320 taking pics under LED (due to my lack of experience) is a real pain in the butt!! (BTW, Tom I see the thread momentarily hit the Twilight Zone lol)
Anyway, all pics taken under AI Sol Blues set @100-100-100 (equiv to 14k)
Again these are iPhone 4 pics not PSd/photo edited in any way. I am switching to Vega colors next week after my next pack comes in, I will post some pics of same corals under the new lighting then

dknuckles Aussie Gold

SniperSPS Blue Lagoon (original)

Ultimate Stag

Yellow w/ Blue tip (unknown spec.)

Unknown Aussie Acro

True Oregon Tort from the original colony (look...no green!)

Cali Tort (now that's some green!)

Another unknown w/ outrageous PE!

Pink Dragon Tails, Wolverine, Blue Lagoon

 

[tdb320reef]

Beautiful "“ Yes, we have covered everything from aggression to photo editing and terminology. Thanks for bringing it back and posting those beautiful Acros that you are propagating under leds. I especially like that original blue lagoon.

Please excuse the iPhone pics. Working 7days/wk not much coral playtime
I agree w/ tdb320 taking pics under LED (due to my lack of experience) is a real pain in the butt!! (BTW, Tom I see the thread momentarily hit the Twilight Zone lol)
Anyway, all pics taken under AI Sol Blues set @100-100-100 (equiv to 14k)
Again these are iPhone 4 pics not PSd/photo edited in any way. I am switching to Vega colors next week after my next pack comes in, I will post some pics of same corals under the new lighting then

dknuckles Aussie Gold

SniperSPS Blue Lagoon (original)

Ultimate Stag

Yellow w/ Blue tip (unknown spec.)

Unknown Aussie Acro

True Oregon Tort from the original colony (look...no green!)

Cali Tort (now that's some green!)

Another unknown w/ outrageous PE!

Pink Dragon Tails, Wolverine, Blue Lagoon

 

[tdb320reef]

So now after reading this thread nothing about light and spectrum seem clear anymore. It has been bantered about for years that the 420 nm is the spectrum thats missing from leds that is the cause of poor coloration and growth in sps coral. Yet here is a case where a person has his tank looking well and has noted its the white leds that seem to control the growth rate of the coral and the blues tend to govern the coloration. White leds have no 420 mn spectrum in them or if they do its very very limited amount. If i am misunderstanding the above posts I apologize. This just seems to fly in the face of what everyone thought was the holy grail for spectrum for sps growth and health.

My Apollo LEDS that I have used the majority of the time do not have 420's. Let me clarify. 6.5K Led white lends for great growth but believe it affects coloration negativity if too intense too long especially in ULNS. Blue in the 450NM range lends to great color. The rest while I am sure they provide some kind of benefit including ascetics, I have not found to be critical for growth and coloration in the experience of my build(s).

Early on when I swapped out an 8 bulb (first three weeks of the build) T5 with two Apollos for my 90G grow out, I had all kinds of issues. The two issues were that the White were too intense and the tank was nutrient poor.

In the below video 2/12 you can see the frags that I transplanted to the 320G in August. Look how pale they are. The color was all messed up. I discovered this a few months earlier and already working on improving the color at the time. This is 75% of the stock I now have in the big tank.

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Here is how they looked a few weeks before I moved them in 8/12 after the nutrition issue was under control under the same lighting with whites much lower from 80 to 50%.

*LPS already moved.
*All SPS have only been in the 320 for 8 months.

 

[power boat jim]

My Apollo LEDS that I have used the majority of the time do not have 420's. Let me clarify. 6.5K Led white lends for great growth but believe it affects coloration negativity if too intense too long especially in ULNS. Blue in the 450NM range lends to great color. The rest while I am sure they provide some kind of benefit including ascetics, I have not found to be critical for growth and coloration in the experience of my build(s).

Early on when I swapped out an 8 bulb (first three weeks of the build) T5 with two Apollos for my 90G grow out, I had all kinds of issues. The two issues were that the White were too intense and the tank was nutrient poor.

In the below video 2/12 you can see the frags that I transplanted to the 320G in August. Look how pale they are. The color was all messed up. I discovered this a few months earlier and already working on improving the color at the time. This is 75% of the stock I now have in the big tank.


Here is how they looked a few weeks before I moved them in 8/12 after the nutrition issue was under control under the same lighting with whites much lower from 80 to 50%.

*LPS already moved.
*All SPS have only been in the 320 for 8 months.

Interesting, the AI sols are good in the 450 range. I have had pretty good success with the tank in the 2 years I have had the LEDs. Maybe I just need to ramp them up a bit for a little more growth. Thanks for all the good info on what you have experienced.

 

[animalkingdom]

tdb,
I noticed your link to the fixtures you use for $179 on ebay. I also noticed very similar fixtures in 'people who viewed this also viewed' for $149. Do you have any insight on the difference between these? and extra $30 bucks a fixture could add up...

 

[tdb320reef]

tdb,
I noticed your link to the fixtures you use for $179 on ebay. I also noticed very similar fixtures in 'people who viewed this also viewed' for $149. Do you have any insight on the difference between these? and extra $30 bucks a fixture could add up...

They don't have optics and multicolor. Offer the guy $165 he might take it.

 

[Editour2]

I totally agree that coverage and the bending of light are 100 % the issue. Just because I have all of those watts doesn't mean that I use all of them. For example I ramp up and ramp down. I run the blues at 75% and whites at 50%. I never peek. Secondarily, With T5's the total cost to deal with the bulbs and ballasts and with MH well the heat and bulb cost Plus the T5 supplementation. For me commodity led fixtures are the way to go. I wont disagree that the Best coloration that I have seen are from MH but with cheep LEDS my colors are looking good and the reduction in costs are worth the leap.

BTW this tank has always been under LED since the beginning and originally I only had 4 120 watt fixtures. It was the tanks 1 year anniversary a couple weeks ago. You may view the entire build or R 2 R.

How high off the water are your LED's? Are you using 3 watt LED's or 1 watt? Are you using focal lenses? If so what degree lense? Are you using any colored LED's other than white and blue?
thanks and beautiful tank.

 

[mayjong]

my otort looks just like the one pictured above (albeit mine is bigger) by knuckles.
i guess it isn't "green" on the body but it is not all over screaming blue like the mother colony it came from. there was not a hint of any color but bright blue under mh from the mother ...

 

[tdb320reef]

How high off the water are your LED's? Are you using 3 watt LED's or 1 watt? Are you using focal lenses? If so what degree lense? Are you using any colored LED's other than white and blue?
thanks and beautiful tank.

1. 10" slopped forward
2. fixtures are 120 watts and there are 55 3W LEDS so at 75 % you are running each led at 1.6 Watt
3 Yes
4 90 Degree
5 5 fixtures are multi-colored and 7 are blue 450NM and 6.5K white.

 

[worm5406]

BTW I get 404 error when trying to d/l those files. File not found.

I want to see the raw just to tinker with them to make them pop even more. (I am working on my own skills and want to see something that is not mine)

 

[tdb320reef]

BTW I get 404 error when trying to d/l those files. File not found.

I want to see the raw just to tinker with them to make them pop even more. (I am working on my own skills and want to see something that is not mine)

Hi it looks like the reverse proxy in front of my webserver does not like the RAW format content type. For your convinence I have Zipped them all up in a compressed folder. You may download here:

http://images.cpucs.com/images/raw/IMG_4001.zip

 

[bangai64]

Mine look pretty good.

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[mayjong]

they look unhealthy to me....
j/k

 

[tdb320reef]

Where?

Where?

Can someone post the link to the Acros photographed under T5 and MH 65k whites only where the compressed version of the RAW metadata is posted? It seems that all I am hearing now is:

 

[tdb320reef]

Mine look pretty good.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/93177272@N06/8471200106/" title="2013-02-09 16.59.51 by bangai64, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8252/8471200106_459b54401b.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="2013-02-09 16.59.51"></a>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/93177272@N06/8467942575/" title="2013-02-09 16.58.58 by bangai64, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8524/8467942575_3044aa54be.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="2013-02-09 16.58.58"></a>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/93177272@N06/8467876731/" title="2013-02-09 16.59.27 by bangai64, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8514/8467876731_e01b0571d0.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="2013-02-09 16.59.27"></a>

Looks great. My Setosa looks Pink under LEDS though. How do you keep it orange?

 

[dknuckles]

Can someone post the link to the Acros photographed under T5 and MH 65k whites only where the compressed version of the RAW metadata is posted? It seems that all I am hearing now is:

+1...
It is the typical response when someone wants to bash. But when asked what k rating do they run on DT...well..rarely a response..and the answer has never been 6500k except 1 reefers "Growth Only" prop tank

If everyone can remember pre-LEDs this was to same argument people had w/ actinic T5s...same argument different product...

 

[Bigcefa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-qhFgNVA8&feature=relmfu

Check out this fish stores displays under full led