ThaNgBOm321
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lol!!! that pic is funny but TRAE !!!! you having to clean of your keybord was funnier!!!
Who uses creatine in their reefs?
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CyclistMT
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Bertoni, I'm going to assume you really haven't heard of this before but if you're being facetious then forgive me. Perhaps this info will benefit other though.
Yes, HGH is dosed in reef tanks. It's commonly referred to as the Italian method if I'm not mistaken. This link will provide an overview (along with many beautiful pictures) and additional links if you want to dig deeper.
Italy's Best
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CyclistMT
More Idiot Than Savant
Yes, illegal in the US unless prescibed by a doctor. Still an intersting read. The tanks seem to have such thick and robust growth although it's probably not due to just one thing.
What I got out of the thread is many of the Italian tanks target a reletively high magnesium level, like 1500+. Kind of made me go hmmmm, and thought I'd give it a try in my tank.
What I got out of the thread is many of the Italian tanks target a reletively high magnesium level, like 1500+. Kind of made me go hmmmm, and thought I'd give it a try in my tank.
Many of those tanks posted are from many methods. And there is a lot more going on here than just some HGH. It was only one individual that added Creatine and is not really what the HGH, aka Blue-Coral-Method is about. These are very advanced methods, well carried for and follow certain guide lines, to include the addition certain of AA and certain home made prepared foods. They do not come about, by even a long shot, of just dumping in some Creatine.
A short view of some of the water parameters needed and wha HGH does. Take note that even the HGH is specially processed
Translated:
I have been fortunate enough to see Maurizio's tank in person. It looked unreal!
For me, you can ask me the same questions about the use of the hormone and its interactions with corals. My theory which no one has said anything against it is as follows:
This hormone (HGH) works on a human and monkey, but not on any other organism. Special receivers on the cell membranes are targeted by this hormone. The coral does not have these receivers because if they did it would produce gh which is not realistic.
One asks how does a SPS coral (Formosa, Nobilis, Digitata and Monti's) grow 15" in one yr? This has influenced the staff at reefitalia.net to successfully look into the amino acid composition of the GH for obvious reasons I cannot disclose. These findings are also backed up by one of our biologists, Giuseppe Vollono who has explained this to us. At the time in which the frozen cube is prepared, a fundamental phenomenal process occurs. The protein under examination BREAKS which increases the abundance of a particular amino acids in the water. This increases the metabolism and calcification of the coral. Therefore GH does not affect fish.
When running the Blue Coral method, you parametesr values have to be set at or near the following values:
Ca 500
Mg 1500
KH 12
PH 8
Sr 16-25
I2 0,06
Thank you, Fabio.
A short view of some of the water parameters needed and wha HGH does. Take note that even the HGH is specially processed
Translated:
I have been fortunate enough to see Maurizio's tank in person. It looked unreal!
For me, you can ask me the same questions about the use of the hormone and its interactions with corals. My theory which no one has said anything against it is as follows:
This hormone (HGH) works on a human and monkey, but not on any other organism. Special receivers on the cell membranes are targeted by this hormone. The coral does not have these receivers because if they did it would produce gh which is not realistic.
One asks how does a SPS coral (Formosa, Nobilis, Digitata and Monti's) grow 15" in one yr? This has influenced the staff at reefitalia.net to successfully look into the amino acid composition of the GH for obvious reasons I cannot disclose. These findings are also backed up by one of our biologists, Giuseppe Vollono who has explained this to us. At the time in which the frozen cube is prepared, a fundamental phenomenal process occurs. The protein under examination BREAKS which increases the abundance of a particular amino acids in the water. This increases the metabolism and calcification of the coral. Therefore GH does not affect fish.
When running the Blue Coral method, you parametesr values have to be set at or near the following values:
Ca 500
Mg 1500
KH 12
PH 8
Sr 16-25
I2 0,06
Thank you, Fabio.
Henry Bowman
Reefing since '87
Boomer,
How high can you push Ca and Alk ? My general thought process is that with Ca at 500, you couldnt push dKh to 12? Seems like to me (uneducated in such matters) that this is close to the precip point. I dont have a specific equation and am interested as to where the saturation point is.
How high can you push Ca and Alk ? My general thought process is that with Ca at 500, you couldnt push dKh to 12? Seems like to me (uneducated in such matters) that this is close to the precip point. I dont have a specific equation and am interested as to where the saturation point is.
Yes, this is pushing it Henry. Sat point will also depend on water temp and pH and much more on pH. You can run Ca++ up into the 800's if the Alk is no more than 7 dkH, with a pH of around 8.0-8.1. With a pH of 8.2, Alk 14 and Ca++ 410 or so, you will reach sat. Buy lowering the pH a point or two and the dKH to 12 you are close but should not be at sat yet. If you then dropped the temp a couple of degrees even more safe. You would have to calculate out Omega values. Even just raising the alkalinity a point form say 35 to 36 will make it even more safe. And there is rasing the Mg++ up , which is also helping.
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