ezhoops
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Man after reading this thread I might need some of what you got!
seriously though hope your OK
WILD CAUGHT Clownfish Acclimation
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Man after reading this thread I might need some of what you got!
seriously though hope your OK
Toddrtrex
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Man after reading this thread I might need some of what you got!
seriously though hope your OK
The morphine did help.
Overall doing ok, thanks. I have a spinal fusion.
clowns101
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The morphine did help.
Overall doing ok, thanks. I have a spinal fusion.
Dosent sound sfun!Hope to see you back on these boards soon!
Id like to add some info to this thread,
pair of chrysogasters, QT with Magnifica - doing great
Here is a link to an article that i think back up my wild caught clownfish qt. Its about the anti fungal and anti bacterial properties of Mertens and Gigantea and it mentions the testing of Mags and Haddoni.
http://apjtb.com/zz/2011S1/10.pdf
Very good article
pair of chrysogasters, QT with Magnifica - doing great
Here is a link to an article that i think back up my wild caught clownfish qt. Its about the anti fungal and anti bacterial properties of Mertens and Gigantea and it mentions the testing of Mags and Haddoni.
http://apjtb.com/zz/2011S1/10.pdf
Very good article
bues0022
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It's great that you seem to be having luck with your clowns. But we need to take a closer look at the article.
That's not entirely the true story here though. If you read closer, you will notice that the researchers prepared an EXTRACT from mertens and gigantea. The former was killed in this process (held in methanol for 5 days) and the later was stressed significantly forcing a severe reaction producing nematocytes (3x dipped in iced DI fresh water for 15 min). Both extracts were tested refined and tested crude, or with methanol, dichloromethane, ethanol, butanol and acetone. Yes, filtered, centrifuged, and testing in sterile environments, but they also did not report testing control samples of the chemicals alone without the "essence of anemone". Nothing was tested in a saltwater environment with live animals.
What I read from this article is not that an anemone could be a natural antibiotic or antifungal, but that when extracted, filtered, and processed, there could be some slight antibacterial and antifungal properties to some strains in the laboratory setting. I think you might be drawing desired conclusions from only partial stories. While I can see how you may want to reach said conclusions from this article - and on the surface it seems promising - I fail to see the direct cause/effect relationship from this research you do.
That's not entirely the true story here though. If you read closer, you will notice that the researchers prepared an EXTRACT from mertens and gigantea. The former was killed in this process (held in methanol for 5 days) and the later was stressed significantly forcing a severe reaction producing nematocytes (3x dipped in iced DI fresh water for 15 min). Both extracts were tested refined and tested crude, or with methanol, dichloromethane, ethanol, butanol and acetone. Yes, filtered, centrifuged, and testing in sterile environments, but they also did not report testing control samples of the chemicals alone without the "essence of anemone". Nothing was tested in a saltwater environment with live animals.
What I read from this article is not that an anemone could be a natural antibiotic or antifungal, but that when extracted, filtered, and processed, there could be some slight antibacterial and antifungal properties to some strains in the laboratory setting. I think you might be drawing desired conclusions from only partial stories. While I can see how you may want to reach said conclusions from this article - and on the surface it seems promising - I fail to see the direct cause/effect relationship from this research you do.
Bues
Bues
Exracts were testing refined and crude or with those chems. I am assuming that crude is in a pure form. which means the nematocyte have the ability from the reasearch to have antifungal or antibacterial properties.
Thats what i got from it.
There is more to the relationship between clowns and anemones then protection. This shows possibly it also has to do with health or healing.
Bues
Exracts were testing refined and crude or with those chems. I am assuming that crude is in a pure form. which means the nematocyte have the ability from the reasearch to have antifungal or antibacterial properties.
Thats what i got from it.
There is more to the relationship between clowns and anemones then protection. This shows possibly it also has to do with health or healing.
bues0022
New member
The authors do not report the efficacy of their extracts in the crude form. Additionally, the references cited to not discuss how any of their findings can be traced back to the relationships in the wild. While it seems that you may be correct from reading that there exists a possibility for nematocytes to have antimicrobial properties, remember this is in a lab setting using refined extracts in a sterile environment. Opium can get you very high, but eating a dozen poppy seed muffins won't do anything to you in the least. I think it's an enormous theoretical leap to apply their lab findings to wild (or in your case captive) populations of animals.
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