Wow... Ice White SPS

[broke1]

This was the closest thing I ever had to white. It held this color for two years, I finally lost it in a crash I blame on stupidity.

 

[eros]

well i can assure you my system is not ulns. i feed like crazy and have a pretty simple setup. there have been several articles written about this. im gonna look around and see what i can find. i know there are also posts about this in other forums as well so i will try to find some......

i sometimes find it odd when its easier to say no or that its completely not possible than maybe consider it is possible......so let me clarify what im saying, not "ice white" but without pigmentation. like as if the coral were bleaching, or even moments from death!! yet beautiful, growing, thriving next to many many acros looking just as healthy with fantastic color and growing just the same. the reason i pointed out the euro and japanese set ups is that i myself was stunned to think that my coral was dying or some odd exception? only to find that they import these in other countries because they are an oddity in the coral world. plus also to find that upscales fish and reptile in portland, oregon here has them available as a frag for you. ask for travis the curator who has aided in the wonderful findings of the microlados and original oregon torte among many others. he will gladly take one for the proper price and you can have it in your very own aquarium. its a blue tip tenius without pigmentation in the entire body and base. there are also several deep water bottle brush acros with only color in tips. and some acros with no color what so ever.

the world was once flat, and sea life was not maintainable in home aquaria, as well as protien skimming was a farce.....is it not so believable that things can be out of our basic knowledge? gimme a a day or so and i will find ya some more info. im pretty certain one r.c. totm had some here as well.

Can you post pics of this, I'd love to see it.

 

[gasman059]

the jeopardy music started playin.

 

[hogan400]

sorry guys, been really busy. my pics are not very nice but should suffice. if you google it you can find articles that explain the absence of a gene that uses specific protein thats for color in pigmentation. these acros to my understanding lack not the protein but the actual genome to break it down. mind you im not a chemist or scientist.

heres the quality pics i can take currently, sorry guys. if you look in pic1, the white and blue tip "tenius" is in my first tank with about 1.5 yrs growth. my 150 from 2008 was outgrown so i moved livestock to a new 200dd late 2009. you can see its the same coral as in pic 2 by structure. in picture 2 if you look closely you will see the same acro base has grown quite a bit and is encrusted onto live rock, that its a bit opaque in color but in excellent cover. no algae spots or dead looking spots have you. you really cant see the lt blue tips but i assure you they are there. i added pic three so you could see some of the other corals in my aquarium and i do not use photo shop obviously.

pic1, its directly to the right and slightly behind/above the lg bali slimer

pic2, directly left of all purple tri color valida, and directly in front of bali std tricolor valida.

pic3, just a reference for some of my other coral color.

i have about 15 fish, and some of these acros are over 2yrs old. i wish i could load video from my phone as i have an excellent video of this and my colors really come thru so still let me work on it a few more days. i have a 200dd with 2 400's and 10 t-5's. run gfo, carbon and a profilux doser. used bio fuel for a couple months but really saw no benefit as my phosphates and nitrates are not an issue. dose some aa and lugols. feed once daily. a smorgy of foods. not ulns, no zeo.... again will still try to find you more info. funny thing is after looking at this entire post its identical to what 68sting has even after 2+yrs of growth. i have recieved some of the lamest bleached acros like my cali torte was and they all colored up prfectly. except this tenuis. i even have a lg green w blue tip tenuis in amazing color and would think the requirements would be identical, wouldnt you? still, white with lt blue tips.

 

[hogan400]

also here is the picture of my green w blue tip. man my pictures are pretty bad. this coral is now in place of my once basketball sized green bali slimer, which has since been chopped down to size a bit and moved a little to the right. that thing grows way, way too fast, i may remove it all together now that im trying to collect different things. just had it for so long and its hard to let go. hahaha.

 

[hogan400]

here is a little better pic from my old 150.....
same location as before in pic1 just to the right and slightly behind the bali. this photo you can see the blue tips some.:fun5: again look closely as i know m pics arent very nice however you know when your looking at a dead coral with slime or algae growing on it and this thing is healthy.:thumbsup:

also here is a vendor in uk with frags available.http://images.google.com/imgres?img...mages?q=white+blue+tip+tenuis&hl=en&sa=N&um=1

 

[gasman059]

thx for the response. that looks like A.horrida which in the correct lighting and so forth ends up being a greenishwith some pink.

Perhaps the pics don't do your coral justice, but it appears to me that cream /pastel color is what you have and not white. The coral looks healthy and thriving in the environment, perhaps it has adapted to your tank after two years. There's ceratinly enuff nutrients in that tank by just looking at a quick pic.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here for you and every other forum scavenger is that white acros are white for a reason(because they are dying or dead) .

IMO A.horrida should look like this:\

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[Machiel]

This is a recent addition to our tank, does it looks healthy to you?
Its kinda caramel colored at the base with perfect ice blue tips.

 

[GTR]

When I was unpacking transshipments we'd see quite a few white corals. With them it was just hope they sell before they either turn brown or kick the bucket. Many of them the bag water was 10 x's darker than the coral. :lol:

SteveU

 

[epicurus84]

I lost a white monti during summer. But i saw several white arco's at the lfs, but because my nitrates are still around 5 it will proberbly turn browish.

In an old tank with like 0-1 nitrate its worth a shot keeping it white. Also my tank was/is fairly young, i need color for it to stand out.

 

[Bigmike]

I guess the point I'm trying to make here for you and every other forum scavengerQUOTE]

Which one are you... the pot or the kettle? :lmao:

Hogan provided you with empirical evidence and resonable explaintion on why white acros might exist, as well as personal experiences from many forum users... and all you have to offer is your "IMO it should be this" which is losely based on what?

I think we can all agree that acros act differently in different systems, and a "white with blue tip acro" can and will thrive in a home aquarium. Why is this so hard to believe?

 

[dvanacker]

sorry but there is a difference to a coral that has some color...either pale or cream and colorful tips vs. the corals that are freshly shipped and extremely pale/white. A white coral that has recently (in the last few months) been shipped is most likely stressed and has lost all zooxantheallae....we know this because zooxantheallae is brown. Coral bleaching happens with LPS, SPS and all zooxantheallae holding corals. It also happens in the wild.

 

[BareAre]

My first thought is the A. pearlberry from ORA.

 

[gasman059]

I guess the point I'm trying to make here for you and every other forum scavengerQUOTE]

Which one are you... the pot or the kettle? :lmao:

Hogan provided you with empirical evidence and resonable explaintion on why white acros might exist, as well as personal experiences from many forum users... and all you have to offer is your "IMO it should be this" which is losely based on what?

I think we can all agree that acros act differently in different systems, and a "white with blue tip acro" can and will thrive in a home aquarium. Why is this so hard to believe?

RC has gotten to be so much fun no wonder many of us simply don't join in the threads that promote nothing.


Loosely based in 20 plus years of this hobby, the original question was regarding WHITE acros/and not ones with pigmentation wich is what you and your buddy Hogan are describing.

Anyways I'm both the pot and the kettle if that makes you feel better.
Here's my ice white acro!

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[gasman059]

sorry but there is a difference to a coral that has some color...either pale or cream and colorful tips vs. the corals that are freshly shipped and extremely pale/white. A white coral that has recently (in the last few months) been shipped is most likely stressed and has lost all zooxantheallae....we know this because zooxantheallae is brown. Coral bleaching happens with LPS, SPS and all zooxantheallae holding corals. It also happens in the wild.

My sentiments exactly.:thumbsup:

 

[gasman059]

My first thought is the A. pearlberry from ORA.

Beauiful acro WITH pigments~:hammer:

 

[gasman059]

This is a recent addition to our tank, does it looks healthy to you?
Its kinda caramel colored at the base with perfect ice blue tips.

Yup beautiful.

There's some misunderstanding here while there's cream colored and light colored acros such as many so called deepwaters ( BTW yours looks like a loripes) there's not such a thing as an ICE WHITE NO COLOR ACRO.

 

[Leonardo_]

Some A. Desalwii will species develop white centers if their colored up well. These are healthy Acropora.

Some white Acropora posted before look very stressed or starved, and will darken up in better conditions. Totally white acropora (tips, base and polyps) can't be healthy.

Leonardo

 

[hogan400]

there are some good points here, +1 dvanacker, i agree with you. i used to work at a local fish store way back in the day."carters pet mart" 90-91 and we would get acros that were white or bleached. prob 90% of em would die. my buddy chuck who used to run the fish palace in sacramento decided we should bleach em and sell em to our fish only customers for their display tanks. chuck also new tyree at the time so whenever really nice/different things would come in we would ship em down to him. and also i see your point gasman on the pearlberry with "pigments" in the tips. thats how my tenius looked. all white with lt blue tips......a pearl color. not cream, tan, or lt brown. maybe when one bleaches naturally for whatever reason in the wild that it simply stays this way?? i can assure you mine was not a.horrida. i have some of that as well in all green w yellow polyps. i wish i could find the tank here that had two, one was a seriatopora that was extremely amazing and another was some off the wall formosa, neither had any color what so ever but were amazing and had major growth, some threads were posted about it on another major forum. it was called the nuetral birdsnest. the european owner said they actually had it dna tested. i thought it to be off the wall but then again who am i to judge? i suppose if we didnt think outside the box and try new things we would still be living in the past

its possible that we may never capture the same light in our aquariums as on the reef, so maybe these few will never gain that dominate color.....i posted 2 pictures and a site from europe with these for sale in beautiful condition and it was removed..... seems i broke the rules. they were from the u.k. type white and blue tip tenius and you can find it at the divers den. just looked at it a few mins ago. i will search more threads and provide some links as soon as i can. maybe this eve? i really dont want to bash or get off pace and would like others to offer their input. it still seems odd to me to believe that its entirely not possible, not because i have seen a few articles and threads but simply to say no to something is bordering on smashing educational boundaries. you have to challenge things and sometimes look outside the normal. also those pictures were before i tore that tank down and my reactor coulnt keep up. i was having some major alk swings and the color was fading fast. things look much nicer now but still adjusting to my new doser.

 

[gasman059]

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