eddybabyhd
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sorry, but I agree with charlie
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Shame on you Ed!! I thought you were wiser than to continue your escapade. I am sorry we can't seem to let things go!
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eddybabyhd
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I have personal issues clouding my opinion, which cant seem to get worked out. I have tried, the ball is in the other court
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But we shouldn't continue airing our dirty laundry on the forum. As we move along.....
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jeramy,
Ask Gary!!
Ask Gary!!
eddybabyhd
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Escapade? I am confused, my opinions are based of direct actions, not by petty rumors with only shreads of truth in them. I havent voiced my opinion other than I agreed with Charlie, that those prices are insane. But maybe I am bias because I know how the buisness works. I just dont see myself paying a 100 dollar mark up for a coral. Thats all
Korndog
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Quality (Pets) is the name of the wholesale business which resides in OKC. They carry all sorts of livestock and dry goods.
You know, the bottom line here is simple IMO. If RC feels someone is benefiting (financially) from posing something on here without getting their piece of the pie, they ban. You have to put yourself on the other side. Would you want to have a company (RC) where business people could come in and use your store front as a place to advertise for free?
If I own a fish shop and I get on here to see someone post a thread needing .. say ... a large angelfish of some kind. Then, I post something like "hey, I know a place where you could find this fish" .. then they PM me and I tell them "AT MY SHOP!".
Now, that person goes to my shop and buys the fish .. which I make a $40 profit on. How do you not consider that advertising? Sure, I don't have a banner ad at the top .. but I still made a sale in which I profited off of directly through RC.
Bottom line is RC gets NO money from that transaction even though I used their business to get mine. They have created a wonderful forum where lots and lots of people come together to talk about the marine hobby and I've used their customers to find mine. You cannot go to a car lot, hang out by a new SUV just to tell the people that look at it that you have the same car for sell at your smaller car lot. You would surely get the boot.
If you look at it that way, it certainly is not fair for RC to allow it.
You know, the bottom line here is simple IMO. If RC feels someone is benefiting (financially) from posing something on here without getting their piece of the pie, they ban. You have to put yourself on the other side. Would you want to have a company (RC) where business people could come in and use your store front as a place to advertise for free?
If I own a fish shop and I get on here to see someone post a thread needing .. say ... a large angelfish of some kind. Then, I post something like "hey, I know a place where you could find this fish" .. then they PM me and I tell them "AT MY SHOP!".
Now, that person goes to my shop and buys the fish .. which I make a $40 profit on. How do you not consider that advertising? Sure, I don't have a banner ad at the top .. but I still made a sale in which I profited off of directly through RC.
Bottom line is RC gets NO money from that transaction even though I used their business to get mine. They have created a wonderful forum where lots and lots of people come together to talk about the marine hobby and I've used their customers to find mine. You cannot go to a car lot, hang out by a new SUV just to tell the people that look at it that you have the same car for sell at your smaller car lot. You would surely get the boot.
If you look at it that way, it certainly is not fair for RC to allow it.
Lazyreefer
Premium Member
Well I want to post cause I smell........... the beerguy coming!! LOL
I think everyone is right!
LOL!
I think everyone is right!
LOL!
Wildstar1063
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As a business RC has the right to protect it's financial interests,
however as this episode has shown, there is a conflict of interest
between trying to host a a free public discussion and protecting
ones financial interests.
I myself dont see a problem with the local stores posting
in the local club forums, these are mostly mom & pop
operations, and not the big online stores and manufacturers
that RC is getting it's revenue from. But I suppose from RC's
point of view it would be a case of where do you draw the line,
if you let some post and not others.
I myself do not financialy support RC for two reasons, First
there is no option for a one time payment, they want to
have recurring charges every year to my accounts. Many
who have had AOheLl know what a mistake that can be.
Secondly It just hacks me off, that they would restrict
access to the search function to prod people in to joining.
That being said, it is their playground, and they have the
right to set the rules, I just don't have to agree with them.
I do find it very distasteful that RC has resorted not only to
censure, but also intimidation and threats. See Beerguy's
reply effectivly shutting down discussion about this very
issue in Tuan's (LawBoy888) thread here in the COMAS
forum.
Perhaps a committee within the club should be formed to
explore the posibility of either hosting the forum on the
COMAS site, or having it hosted on a .org site with no financial
interests to protect.
Chuck E.
however as this episode has shown, there is a conflict of interest
between trying to host a a free public discussion and protecting
ones financial interests.
I myself dont see a problem with the local stores posting
in the local club forums, these are mostly mom & pop
operations, and not the big online stores and manufacturers
that RC is getting it's revenue from. But I suppose from RC's
point of view it would be a case of where do you draw the line,
if you let some post and not others.
I myself do not financialy support RC for two reasons, First
there is no option for a one time payment, they want to
have recurring charges every year to my accounts. Many
who have had AOheLl know what a mistake that can be.
Secondly It just hacks me off, that they would restrict
access to the search function to prod people in to joining.
That being said, it is their playground, and they have the
right to set the rules, I just don't have to agree with them.
I do find it very distasteful that RC has resorted not only to
censure, but also intimidation and threats. See Beerguy's
reply effectivly shutting down discussion about this very
issue in Tuan's (LawBoy888) thread here in the COMAS
forum.
Perhaps a committee within the club should be formed to
explore the posibility of either hosting the forum on the
COMAS site, or having it hosted on a .org site with no financial
interests to protect.
Chuck E.
dugg
New member
You hear that beerguy? Lazy thinks you need a shower lol.
I do agree that for a bussiness to advertise on RC without being a paying sponsor is wrong, and should not be tolerated. On the other hand, replying to a post of someone looking for something is not advertising. It is no different then if i had the item he wanted and answered his post and sold the item to him, or posting that you have frags for sale. I am not a bussiness, but still would have made a sale, and possibly a profit, without RC getting a piece of the deal. We don't know if maybe there were words exchanged after the fact, that caused the banning to be issued.
Regardless of what happened, RC is a bussiness, and has the right to do that bussiness any way it wishes to do it. If we don't agree with it, we can take our bussiness elsewhere i suppose.
I was a moderator on MSN gaming zone for several years, and know first hand that being a mod tends to make one's head grow out of proportion to one's body, so this is really just beating a dead horse here. If after getting the facts from either Gary or RC, you feel this is wrong, you can send emails to all of the RC sponsors that you personally do bussiness with, and voice your concerns. If on the other hand, this actually was justified, we could all pitch in and send beerguy a 12 pack of Oklahoma beer as an apology for all the uproar this has caused. Either way, like beerguy said in the post he closed, this discussion is getting us nowhere.
I do agree that for a bussiness to advertise on RC without being a paying sponsor is wrong, and should not be tolerated. On the other hand, replying to a post of someone looking for something is not advertising. It is no different then if i had the item he wanted and answered his post and sold the item to him, or posting that you have frags for sale. I am not a bussiness, but still would have made a sale, and possibly a profit, without RC getting a piece of the deal. We don't know if maybe there were words exchanged after the fact, that caused the banning to be issued.
Regardless of what happened, RC is a bussiness, and has the right to do that bussiness any way it wishes to do it. If we don't agree with it, we can take our bussiness elsewhere i suppose.
I was a moderator on MSN gaming zone for several years, and know first hand that being a mod tends to make one's head grow out of proportion to one's body, so this is really just beating a dead horse here. If after getting the facts from either Gary or RC, you feel this is wrong, you can send emails to all of the RC sponsors that you personally do bussiness with, and voice your concerns. If on the other hand, this actually was justified, we could all pitch in and send beerguy a 12 pack of Oklahoma beer as an apology for all the uproar this has caused. Either way, like beerguy said in the post he closed, this discussion is getting us nowhere.
Russ Braaten
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Dugg, you may not remember but Oklahoma has crappy 3.2 beer, sending him that just may **** Beerguy off!
I was in ART today and asked about what happened. They did not really want to talk about it. In fact the did not say anything. All they had to say were nice things about RC. I have always gone there. Emily was nice enough to give me several things when I started in the hobby. As for the stock that they have right now it is great.
Lazyreefer
Premium Member
Yea we need to give BeerGuy some good beer!!! And Beerguy if anyone send you some beer made in OK called Choc. That would be worth a ban!! Worse beer I have ever had.
eddybabyhd
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thats the first time i have heard if any member of the ART team keeping thier mouth shut about anything.
enough?
enough?
Everyone has had their share of good or bad experiences with every LFS in OKC. I think this has gone beyond: "I havent voiced my opinion...".
If you don't like a store or a store owner, don't shop there. There's no reason to stir the pot here. Besides...it's the Holiday season....spread some good cheer.
Ronnie
enough?
Everyone has had their share of good or bad experiences with every LFS in OKC. I think this has gone beyond: "I havent voiced my opinion...".
If you don't like a store or a store owner, don't shop there. There's no reason to stir the pot here. Besides...it's the Holiday season....spread some good cheer.
Ronnie
eddybabyhd
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I thought that was what forums were for?
dugg
New member
I just had a look at the comas site at the pics. While my old eyes can't read all of the prices on the tanks, They look reasonable to me. If you " know how the bussiness works", then you know that the price of each coral isn't just marked up from the price he pays for the one piece. There are a ton of other costs involved. Pieces that arrive dead, the cost of shipping, the cost of setting up and running the tanks they are displayed in, the cost of opening the front door every day, all have to be considered in the final price. The cost of just doing bussiness from a brick and mortar store, is staggering to say the least. I had a simple 1000 sq ft record store in OKC, and the bills were $250 per day before i made a dime. I also owned a vacuum and sewing store, that had a bill of almost $400 per day. I would hate to see what Gary's bills look like. I would bet OG&E gets $1000 a month if not more from him. If you want him to sell his merchandise for a $5 markup, give OG&E, ONG, AT&T, his landlord, book keeper, insurance company, and Oklahoma state tax commission a call, and inform them that they should stop charging him so much overhead, so he can do that.
I lived in OKC for 38 years, and never have i seen a store with the quality and selection of stock that Gary has managed to put together, plus you also have a store owner with actual knowledge about his product. That alone is worth paying for. If i still lived there, Gary could buy his wife that house she always wanted lol.
I lived in OKC for 38 years, and never have i seen a store with the quality and selection of stock that Gary has managed to put together, plus you also have a store owner with actual knowledge about his product. That alone is worth paying for. If i still lived there, Gary could buy his wife that house she always wanted lol.
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