WRASSE Help Please - 4 REEF & VERTEBRATE SAFE TANK

[r0cksteady]

Hi All,

Ive just come from the thread in the "New To The Hobby" - http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10900318#post10900318
and they recommended I come a seek advice here on the "Wrasse" im considering stocking.

Below ive listed the hardware and stocking options. Please feel free to comment on any other areas you may feel need improving but the main area I need assistance is for the "Wrasse" and their compatibility with others and each other. Thanks

Tank Details:

5ft (5ft x 2ft x 3ft) = 224 US Gallons (187 UK Gallons) or 850 Litres

100 Kg of Live Rock

60 Kg of Coral Sand Substrate

Lighting - SunSun 2 x 250W Metal Halide Reflector 20K + 2 x 54W T5HO + Moonlight 7 LED

Protein Skimmer - Undecided

Heater - 300 Watt Jager Eheim

Filter - Sump with pump.

Power Heads - 4 x Hydor Koralia


FISH

CLOWNFISH
1 x Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 x Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris var)

DAMSELFISH
1 x Blue Reef Chromis (Blue Reef Chromis) - non agressive

DRAGONETS (Add later after tank is established)
1 x Green Mandarinfish (Pterosynchiropus splendidus, Synchiropus splendidus)
1 x Spotted Mandarinfish (Synchiropus picturatus)

GOBIES, DARTFISH AND JAWFISH
1 x Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus)
1 x Neon Goby (Elacatinus oceanops)
1 x Purple Tilefish (Hoplolatilus purpureus) OR Black Cap Basslet (Gramma melacara)
1 x Yellow Watchman Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus) - MUST BE PURCHASED WITH PISTOL SHRIMP ALREADY PAIRED

Blennies
1 x Jewelled Rockskipper \ Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias fasciatus)
1 x Midas Blenny (Ecsenius midas) OR 1 x Bicolor Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor)
1 x Tube Blenny (Acanthemblemaria)

CARDINALFISH
2 x Banggai Cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni)

TANGS AND SURGEONFISH
1 x Chevron Tang (Chevron Tang)
1 x Tomini Bristletooth Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis)

TRIGGERS
1 x Bluechin Triggerfish (Xanthichthys auromarginatus)

WRASSE
2 x Banded Possum Wrasse (Wetmorella sp)
1 x Exquisite Fairy Wrasse (Exquisite Fairy Wrasse)
2 x Filamented Flasher Wrasse (Filamented Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Five Bar Wrasse (Psuedochellinus mysterii)
1 x Yellowstreaked Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus luteovittatus)


INVERTERBRATES

EELS
1 x Filamented Sand Eel (Trichonotus setigerus)
1 x Hass's Garden Eel (Taenioconger hassi)

STAR FISH (Add later)
1 x Blue Starfish (Linckia laevigata)
1 x Orange Sea Star (Echinaster sp)

SHRIMP
1 x Pedersons Anemone Shrimp (Periclimenes pedersoni)
2 x Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni)
1 x Spotted Anemone Shrimp
2 x Hinge-beak Shrimp (Rhynchocinetes spp)
2 x Blood Shrimp (Lysmata debelius)
4 x Indo-Pacific White-Striped Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis)
1 x Pistol Shrimp (Alpheus sp) - MUST BE PURCHASED WITH WATCHMAN GOBY ALREADY PAIRED

Crabs (MUST ADD EMPTY SHELLS FOR THEIR GROWTH)
4 x Purple Porcelain Crabs OR Porcelain Anemone Crab (Neopetrolisthes ohshimai)
1 x Emerald Crab (Mithrax sculptus)
1 x Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab (Clibanarius tricolor)
1 x Left-handed Hermit Crab (Calcinus laevimanus)
4 x Red Reef Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)
4 x Dwarf Zebra Hermit Crab (Coenobiata species)
4 x Scarlet Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)

SCALLOPS & OYSTERS - (Add later after tank is established)
2 x Electric Flame Scallop (Lima sp)
2 x Flame Scallop (Lima scabra)
1 x Paguriste scadenati

SEA CUCUMBERS
1 x Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber (Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber)

SEA SLUGS & NUDIBRANCHS
1 x Lettuce Sea Slug (Tridachia crispata)

CLAMS (Add later after tank is established)
2 x Crocea Clam (Tridacna crocea)
1 x Maxima Clam (Tridacna maxima)
1 x Squamosa Clam (Tridacna squamosa)

SNAILS
5 x Bumble Bee Snail (Pusiostoma sp)
10 x Mexican Red Foot Snail (Norrisia norrisii)
20 x Nassarius Snails (Nassarius sp)
5 x Banded Trochus Snail (Trochus sp)
5 x Astraea Snail (Astraea tecta)
5 x Turbo Snail (Turbo sp)

CORALS

HARD CORALS
1 x Artichoke/Button Coral (Scolymia sp)
1 x Bird's Nest Coral (Seriatopora sp)
1 x Brain Coral (Trachyphyllia sp)
1 x Green Bubble Coral (Plerogyra sp)
1 x Candy Cane Coral (Caulastrea furcata)
1 x Cat's Paw/Club Finger Coral (Stylophora sp)
1 x Daisy/Flowerpot Coral (Alveopora sp)
1 X Elegance Coral (Cataphyllia sp)
1 x Lobophyllia Brain Coral (Lobophyllia sp.)
1 x Plate/Disk Coral (Fungia sp)

MUSHROOM CORALS
3 x Ricordea Mushroom Coral (Ricordea yuma) - Different colours

SOFT CORALS

1 x Acalycigorgia Sea Fan (Acalycigorgia sp)
1 x Clove/Glove Poly (Clavularia sp)
1 x Green Star Polyp (Pachyclavularia sp)

ANEMONES (Need to be 12" apart)
2 x Bubble Tip Anemone (Entacmaea quadricolor) - Different Colours

FAN WORMS \ FEATHER DUSTERS (ANNELIDS)
1 x Christmas Tree Worm (Spirobranchus sp)
1 x Cluster Duster (Bispira brunnea)
1 x Dwarf Colored Feather Duster (Bispira sp)
1 x Hard Tubeworm (Protula bispiralis)
1 x Feather Duster (Sabellastarte sp)

MACROALGAE
1 X Sea Grape (Botryocladia sp)

Thanks again for taking the time to read such a huge post.red

 

[heuerfan]

Hello, i would add the wrasses to the tank first, out of the wrasse i would add the mystery (5 bar) last. Sounds like an awesome tank in the making, good luck!

 

[wrasseguy2]

if it was me i would not get the yellow streak fairy wrasse..they are one of the most aggressive i have ever had and many others have had the same trouble with theirs...my yellow streak killed 4 wrasses i had

 

[r0cksteady]

Thanks for that, just the sort of info I need. So apart from the yellow streak fairy if I remove that will the rest get along well enough? Is there any OTHER creatures I have in the tank I should be worried about attacking the wrasses or vice versa?

 

[ginger7286]

In place of the Yellow Streak Wrasse I will suggest a Yellow Coris Wrasse (if you wish to keep with the color yellow). I have one of these beauties and she is a doll!! She is peaceful, does not bother other tank mates including my other Wrasses and absolutely loves my Percula Clowns. I think she thinks she is one, she buddies up with them often and swims near them most of the time. The tank sounds like it is going to be beautiful.

 

[heuerfan]

I don't think you need to remove them from the list, i feel if you give the other wrasses time to adjust to the tank then you could add the yellow streak and mystery later on.

But each fish have their own personality, some mean some aren't. Your tank seems big enough to house them peacefully.

 

[r0cksteady]

Ok updated the list, does this look ok. Can you tell me other than the Wrasses potentially attacking each other depending on how they are introduced, is there anything else they might attack or is there anything ive listed that may attack them?

One thing to note is that as I live in Australia (Melbourne) most likely there are going to be things im not going to have access to due to import restrictions and what not. Basically im trying to piece together through everyones experience and knowledge what the best REEF, VERTEBRATE and FISH safe setup I can get then work it down on availability. Thanks again.


Tank Details:

5ft (5ft x 2ft x 3ft) = 224 US Gallons (187 UK Gallons) or 850 Litres

100 Kg (220 lbs) of Live Rock

60 Kg (133 lbs) of Coral Sand Substrate

Lighting - SunSun 2 x 250W Metal Halide Reflector 20K + 2 x 54W T5HO + Moonlight 7 LED

Protein Skimmer - Undecided

Heater - 2 x 300 Watt Jager Eheim

Filter - Sump with pump.

Power Heads - 4 x Hydor Koralia


PLEASE POST ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU FEEL VALID OR ANY TROUBLE YOU SEE I MAY EXPERIENCE.


FISH

CLOWNFISH
1 x Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 x Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris var)

DAMSELFISH
4 x Blue Reef Chromis (Blue Reef Chromis) - non agressive

DRAGONETS (Add later after tank is established)
1 x Green Mandarinfish (Pterosynchiropus splendidus, Synchiropus splendidus)
1 x Spotted Mandarinfish (Synchiropus picturatus)

GOBIES, DARTFISH AND JAWFISH
1 x Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus)
1 x Neon Goby (Elacatinus oceanops)
1 x Purple Tilefish (Hoplolatilus purpureus) OR Black Cap Basslet (Gramma melacara)
1 x Yellow Watchman Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus) - CAN BE PURCHASED WITH PISTOL SHRIMP ALREADY PAIRED

Blennies
1 x Jewelled Rockskipper \ Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias fasciatus)
1 x Midas Blenny (Ecsenius midas) OR 1 x Bicolor Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor)
1 x Tube Blenny (Acanthemblemaria)

CARDINALFISH
2 x Banggai Cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni)

TANGS AND SURGEONFISH
1 x Chevron Tang (Chevron Tang)
1 x Tomini Bristletooth Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis)

TRIGGERS
1 x Bluechin Triggerfish (Xanthichthys auromarginatus)

WRASSE (ADD FIRST AFTER INVERTEBRATES)
2 x Banded Possum Wrasse (Wetmorella sp)
1 x Exquisite Fairy Wrasse (Exquisite Fairy Wrasse)
2 x Filamented Flasher Wrasse (Filamented Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Five Bar Wrasse (Psuedochellinus mysterii)
1 x Yellow Wrasse (Halichoeres chrysus)

EELS - NEED HELP!
I would love to have 1 or 2 eels if possible though I am fully aware that they will eat my small fish and vertebrates as such Im not going to list an eel but it would be great if anyone who has had sucess or knows of a great placid or tiny eel could comment. Otherwise I will leave eels off the list *sigh*.


INVERTERBRATES

STAR FISH (Add later)
1 x Blue Starfish (Linckia laevigata)
1 x Orange Sea Star (Echinaster sp)

SHRIMP
1 x Pedersons Anemone Shrimp (Periclimenes pedersoni)
2 x Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni)
1 x Spotted Anemone Shrimp
2 x Hinge-beak Shrimp (Rhynchocinetes spp)
2 x Blood Shrimp (Lysmata debelius)
20 x Indo-Pacific White-Striped Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis)
1 x Pistol Shrimp (Alpheus sp) - CAN BE PURCHASED WITH WATCHMAN GOBY ALREADY PAIRED

Crabs (MUST ADD EMPTY SHELLS FOR THEIR GROWTH)
10 x Purple Porcelain Crabs OR Porcelain Anemone Crab (Neopetrolisthes ohshimai)
1 x Emerald Crab (Mithrax sculptus)
30 x Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab (Clibanarius tricolor)
1 x Left-handed Hermit Crab (Calcinus laevimanus)
4 x Red Reef Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)
4 x Dwarf Zebra Hermit Crab (Coenobiata species)
4 x Scarlet Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)

SCALLOPS & OYSTERS - (Add later after tank is established / Need more experience before attempting)
2 x Electric Flame Scallop (Lima sp)
2 x Flame Scallop (Lima scabra)
1 x Paguriste scadenati

SEA CUCUMBERS
1 x Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber (Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber)

SEA SLUGS & NUDIBRANCHS
1 x Lettuce Sea Slug (Tridachia crispata)

CLAMS (Add later after tank is established, Need to be up high near lights)
2 x Crocea Clam (Tridacna crocea)
1 x Maxima Clam (Tridacna maxima)
1 x Squamosa Clam (Tridacna squamosa)

SNAILS
10 x Bumble Bee Snail (Pusiostoma sp)
10 x Mexican Red Foot Snail (Norrisia norrisii)
20 x Nassarius Snails (Nassarius sp)
20 x Banded Trochus Snail (Trochus sp)
10 x Turbo Snail (Turbo sp)

CORALS

HARD CORALS
1 x Artichoke/Button Coral (Scolymia sp)
1 x Bird's Nest Coral (Seriatopora sp)
1 x Brain Coral (Trachyphyllia sp)
1 x Green Bubble Coral (Plerogyra sp)
1 x Candy Cane Coral (Caulastrea furcata)
1 x Cat's Paw/Club Finger Coral (Stylophora sp)
1 x Daisy/Flowerpot Coral (Alveopora sp)
1 X Elegance Coral (Cataphyllia sp)
1 x Lobophyllia Brain Coral (Lobophyllia sp.)
1 x Plate/Disk Coral (Fungia sp)

MUSHROOM CORALS
3 x Ricordea Mushroom Coral (Ricordea yuma) - Different colours

SOFT CORALS

1 x Acalycigorgia Sea Fan (Acalycigorgia sp)
1 x Clove/Glove Poly (Clavularia sp)

ANEMONES (Need to be 12" apart, Need more advice on best way to get the established so they dont wander)
2 x Bubble Tip Anemone (Entacmaea quadricolor) - Different Colours

FAN WORMS \ FEATHER DUSTERS (ANNELIDS)
1 x Christmas Tree Worm (Spirobranchus sp)
1 x Cluster Duster (Bispira brunnea)
1 x Dwarf Colored Feather Duster (Bispira sp)
1 x Hard Tubeworm (Protula bispiralis)
1 x Feather Duster (Sabellastarte sp)

MACROALGAE
1 Chaetomorpha Algae - Aquacultured (Chaetomorpha sp) OR 1 X Sea Grape (Botryocladia sp)

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

OK here's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

Tank:
May want to go with either 14K or 10K bulbs if the tank is 3 feet deep. Although 20K's may look nice, they don't penitrate that deep. Also with even 14K's, you don't really need any atinic other than maybe dawn/dusk. I run 14K hamilton 400W DE's on my 3' tall 400 G tank with no atinic and it looks great. However, my corals are not growing as fast as they do in my other tank with 10K bulbs.

Fish:

Clowns, may be better off with a pair. Having to very similar clowns could lead to problems.

Go with the black cap basselet. Tile fish are not necessarly reef safe and are also hard to keep.

Yellow Watchman Goby and pistol shrimp pair. Dpn't wory abut buying them paire dup, they will do this on their own in the tank in no time. I had my YWG for over a year before adding in a tigger pistol shrimp. Took them just a few min to find each other and they've been together ever since.

DRAGONETS. Either get a male/female pair or just one. Having one of each will be a problem and they WILL fight. Males have a longer dorsal spine than the females.

Clown gobies are great but again, hard to care for. Maybe wait until the tank is well estabilished before adding them.

Eels, though they are nice, just don't do well in a reef setup with inverts. Sorry.

Shrimp, don't think you will need 20 cleaner shrimp, maybe 2 will do.

Anemones, seems no matter where you put them, if they don't like the spot, they WILL move. Find a nice place without TOO much flow. Also remember that they get big AND will split. I have one Rose that's about a foot across whne fully expaned. Had to move a bunch of corals out of that end of the tank.

Good luck with the setup.

 

[r0cksteady]

Great feedback, thanks. I have amended my list as per your info. SO far Ive been lucky and pretty much each person on these forums helps add something new to my list. I haven't had any conflict of argument which is get at LFS which starts to hurt my head when all shops recommend their own products over others.

Heres the updated list, is there anywhere else I can improve

Tank Details:

5ft (5ft x 2ft x 3ft) = 224 US Gallons (187 UK Gallons) or 850 Litres

100 Kg (220 lbs) of Live Rock

60 Kg (133 lbs) of Coral Sand Substrate

Lighting - SunSun 2 x 250W Metal Halide Reflector 20K + 2 x 54W T5HO + Moonlight 7 LED

Protein Skimmer - Undecided

Heater - 2 x 300 Watt Jager Eheim

Filter - Sump with pump.

Power Heads - 4 x Hydor Koralia


PLEASE POST ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU FEEL VALID OR ANY TROUBLE YOU SEE I MAY EXPERIENCE.


FISH

CLOWNFISH
1 x Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris)
1 x Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish (Amphiprion ocellaris var)

DAMSELFISH
4 x Blue Reef Chromis (Blue Reef Chromis) - non agressive

DRAGONETS (Add later after tank is established)
2 x Male/Female Pair of Spotted Mandarinfish (Synchiropus picturatus) OR 2 x Male/Female Pair of Green Mandarinfish (Pterosynchiropus splendidus, Synchiropus splendidus) - Need lots of fauna ie. Copepods to eat.

GOBIES, DARTFISH AND JAWFISH
1 x Green Clown Goby (Gobiodon atrangulatus) - (Add later after tank is established)
1 x Neon Goby (Elacatinus oceanops)
1 x Black Cap Basslet (Gramma melacara)
1 x Yellow Watchman Goby (Cryptocentrus cinctus)

Blennies
1 x Jewelled Rockskipper \ Lawnmower Blenny (Salarias fasciatus)
1 x Midas Blenny (Ecsenius midas) OR 1 x Bicolor Blenny (Ecsenius bicolor)
1 x Tube Blenny (Acanthemblemaria)

CARDINALFISH
2 x Banggai Cardinalfish (Pterapogon kauderni)

TANGS AND SURGEONFISH
1 x Chevron Tang (Chevron Tang)
1 x Tomini Bristletooth Tang (Ctenochaetus tominiensis)

TRIGGERS
1 x Bluechin Triggerfish (Xanthichthys auromarginatus)

WRASSE (ADD FIRST AFTER INVERTEBRATES)
2 x Banded Possum Wrasse (Wetmorella sp) - Need lots of fauna ie. Copepods to eat.
1 x Exquisite Fairy Wrasse (Exquisite Fairy Wrasse)
2 x Filamented Flasher Wrasse (Filamented Flasher Wrasse)
1 x Five Bar Wrasse (Psuedochellinus mysterii)
1 x Yellow Wrasse (Halichoeres chrysus)

EELS - NEED HELP!
I would love to have an eel if possible though I am fully aware that they will eat my small fish and vertebrates as such Im not going to list an eel but it would be great if anyone who has had sucess or knows of a great placid or tiny eel could comment. Otherwise I will leave eels off the list *sigh*.

INVERTERBRATES

STAR FISH (Add later)
1 x Blue Starfish (Linckia laevigata)
1 x Orange Sea Star (Echinaster sp)

SHRIMP
1 x Pedersons Anemone Shrimp (Periclimenes pedersoni)
2 x Peppermint Shrimp (Lysmata wurdemanni)
1 x Spotted Anemone Shrimp
2 x Hinge-beak Shrimp (Rhynchocinetes spp)
2 x Blood Shrimp (Lysmata debelius)
4 x Indo-Pacific White-Striped Cleaner Shrimp (Lysmata amboinensis)
1 x Pistol Shrimp (Alpheus sp)

Crabs (MUST ADD EMPTY SHELLS FOR THEIR GROWTH)
10 x Purple Porcelain Crabs OR Porcelain Anemone Crab (Neopetrolisthes ohshimai)
1 x Emerald Crab (Mithrax sculptus)
30 x Dwarf Blue Leg Hermit Crab (Clibanarius tricolor)
1 x Left-handed Hermit Crab (Calcinus laevimanus)
4 x Red Reef Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)
4 x Dwarf Zebra Hermit Crab (Coenobiata species)
4 x Scarlet Hermit Crab (Paguristes cadenati)

SCALLOPS & OYSTERS - (Add later after tank is established / Need more experience before attempting / Need to feed DTs Phytoplankton)
2 x Electric Flame Scallop (Lima sp)
2 x Flame Scallop (Lima scabra)
1 x Paguriste scadenati

SEA CUCUMBERS
1 x Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber (Sand Sifting Sea Cucumber)

SEA SLUGS & NUDIBRANCHS
1 x Lettuce Sea Slug (Tridachia crispata)

CLAMS (Add later after tank is established, Need to be up high near lights)
2 x Crocea Clam (Tridacna crocea)
1 x Maxima Clam (Tridacna maxima)
1 x Squamosa Clam (Tridacna squamosa)

SNAILS
10 x Bumble Bee Snail (Pusiostoma sp)
10 x Mexican Red Foot Snail (Norrisia norrisii)
20 x Nassarius Snails (Nassarius sp)
20 x Banded Trochus Snail (Trochus sp)
10 x Stomatella Limpet Snail (Margarites pupillus)

CORALS

HARD CORALS
1 x Artichoke/Button Coral (Scolymia sp)
1 x Bird's Nest Coral (Seriatopora sp)
1 x Brain Coral (Trachyphyllia sp)
1 x Green Bubble Coral (Plerogyra sp)
1 x Candy Cane Coral (Caulastrea furcata)
1 x Cat's Paw/Club Finger Coral (Stylophora sp)
1 x Daisy/Flowerpot Coral (Alveopora sp)
1 X Elegance Coral (Cataphyllia sp)
1 x Lobophyllia Brain Coral (Lobophyllia sp.)
1 x Plate/Disk Coral (Fungia sp)

MUSHROOM CORALS
3 x Ricordea Mushroom Coral (Ricordea yuma) - Different colours

SOFT CORALS

1 x Acalycigorgia Sea Fan (Acalycigorgia sp)
1 x Clove/Glove Poly (Clavularia sp)

ANEMONES (Need to be 12" apart, Prefer less air flow, Need more advice on best way to get the established so they dont wander)
2 x Bubble Tip Anemone (Entacmaea quadricolor) - Different Colours

FAN WORMS \ FEATHER DUSTERS (ANNELIDS)
1 x Christmas Tree Worm (Spirobranchus sp)
1 x Cluster Duster (Bispira brunnea)
1 x Dwarf Colored Feather Duster (Bispira sp)
1 x Hard Tubeworm (Protula bispiralis)
1 x Feather Duster (Sabellastarte sp)

MACROALGAE - Also put in sump with live sand as refugium to feed herbivores when low in fauna on main tank.
1 Chaetomorpha Algae - Aquacultured (Chaetomorpha sp) OR 1 X Sea Grape (Botryocladia sp)

 

[r0cksteady]

Ive just read about a heap of people who have had success in keeping the Ribbon Eels as they are the most placid and rather than getting larger they just get longer. Their mouth is only big enough to fit in tiny fish and tiny shrimp as opposed to what I would class as small (clowns etc)

Anyone know much about ribbon eels?