Yellow tang white spots-not ich

[rayn]

I have a yellow tang that was fine last night, then today as I see the lights go on, he is almost white in spots and swimming around really disorientated. I scouped him out very easily and staight into QT and it is the same. I have place paraguard in and have prazipro too. Stability in too. This is a established long running QT as well. HELP!!!!

 

[bucky1168]

Are you able to post a pic of it? It could be a number of things besides Ich but hard to tell without seeing it. Does their eyes look cloudy with a cotton looking stuff on the surface of them? Either or, the medications you are using should cover it whatever it is but I have no experience using them all at the same time.

 

[rayn]

Here he is. Going south quick though. Not even swimming now.
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The big white specks are the little bit of sand. They weren't there when it went in. Can you see the white splotches on the belly area in the second pic?

 

[bucky1168]

Not good. It is still hard to tell but it does look like some kind of fluke. It could also be some type of fungus. I am basing this off of what I can tell on his pelvic fin. I am not positive but that looks similar to what I have just encountered with my tank. Hopefully someone can chime in that has more experience with this than me. You have your basis covered, IMO, with the meds to cover the most likely problems but I have to tell you, it doesn't look hopeful for the poor guy.

 

[rayn]

Nevermind. Ever watch a fish die?

I would still like to know what it is or was that did it in.

 

[rayn]

Also, do I need to prazipro my DT? or what to keep the others from getting it?

 

[bucky1168]

Sorry to hear that. I know the feeling very well. If it was an internal parasite, PraziPro would be an option. There is debate on whether treating a reef DT with PraziPro. It says it is safe except for feather dusters. If you are not sure what it is, you might try Seachem's ParaGuard. It covers a broad spectrum of parasites and Bacteria. JHemdal is a good resource for fish diseases. Hopefully he might reply.

 

[Reef Shepherd]

Same thing

Same thing

Somthing similar just took my kole's tang today. Fine last night, dead within a matter of hours this morning. I can't believe how fast it went. I raced out and bought some paraguard but he was dead within 10 minutes of adding it. Other fish seem fine although my majano's are closed shut which is very strange.

Param's are all good.
Just did a water change.

Anyone know if the paraguard is impacting the majanos?
LFS said it wouldn't impact anything I had in the tank.

 

[rayn]

I am still having issues in my DT with these spots, but they haven't taken anything down. I am starting to lean towards ich, but I don't know how it got there. As a start I dosed with paraguard too. About a half dose though as I haven't been told whether it is totally reef safe or not. I would prefer to loose some fish as to the expensive corals. Please don't flame me for that, but truthfully the fish are easier to replace. The paraguard seems to be helping some, so I may dose more after a water change. I did notice though that right away my hammer and bubble coral didn't like it. They just shriveled up tight. They are under the return flow though so they get the direct treatment I would say. However this morning they are back out and happy again.

Sorry to hear about your scopas, good luck.

 

[Reef Shepherd]

Return valve

Return valve

The majano's are right under the return valve as well. I've never seen them closed up for this long during the day. It's another lessoned learned story how they got in there that I'll spare you with but I do like them. Those are the only "corals" I have in there so I can't tell you if anything else is impacted.

My Kole's Tang did not look as pronounced as your issue but it certainly died in haste. Where are you seeing the spots in your DT? In other fish now? Did you happen to use an algacide at all recently?

 

[rayn]

Spots are on other fish, yeah. Rabbitfish, scopas both showed spots. Clowns, squirrelfish, and angel all seem okay. This morning after the dose they all look better. Still a few spots on the rabbitfish, but it was the worse too. If it was ich, I would think they all fell off, so it must be some other parasite which makes me happy. Still don't know how as I QT everything.

I had changed or dosed nothing but kent 2 part, or mag, or calc. Just the normal stuff. I hate to use anything touted as a quick fix.

 

[steelhead77]

Spots are on other fish, yeah. Rabbitfish, scopas both showed spots. Clowns, squirrelfish, and angel all seem okay. This morning after the dose they all look better. Still a few spots on the rabbitfish, but it was the worse too. If it was ich, I would think they all fell off, so it must be some other parasite which makes me happy. Still don't know how as I QT everything.

I had changed or dosed nothing but kent 2 part, or mag, or calc. Just the normal stuff. I hate to use anything touted as a quick fix.

Wow rayn! I've never heard of anyone having so many problems with disease as you have had. Not sure what you're doing wrong, but you need to figure out what it is and stop. So much for qt'ing being the salvation most on here claim it to be. Aren't you the guy that has like 5 qt tanks and qt's corals, rock, snails, crabs and fish? Maybe you should just try adding the fish without the qt. I know just about EVERYONE on here says to do it, but I think there is something to the theory that this just creates more stress on the fish and causes more problems than it supposedly avoids. IDK, but other than the one bout of ich on my Purple Tang (you've seen the pic) when I first set up two years ago (which I qt'd BTW), I've added like 19 more fish to my 180 (no qt whatsoever) and have been disease free for two years now.

Just something to think about.
Good luck.

 

[rayn]

Im starting to be persuaded. I havnt changed my thought on QT at all, but something is there. I got careless somewhere and that let something in, as it was good for a couple months. Im letting this go for now as they are looking better and eating well.
I don't have 5 QT tanks, it was 3 at one point. Two for fish, one for corals. Now I'm down to one. I also don't think there are so many issues as much as there is one and I may have never totally corrected it. Ehhh, live and learn. Never said I was a expert, still a guy learning and asking questions.