Yellowheaded Jawfish

FWIW, my pair has been in the tank a week now but only one comes out, and then only at feeding time. It has gotten VERY thin but is feeding well, so hopefully it'll start to fatten up. The 2nd one in the pair appears to be staying in the burrow (They excavated out a 2 entrance burrow underneath a med/large piece of live rock). So far the one that is actively, noticeably feeding only takes frozen brine and Arctipods. I'm thinking of trying to some live brine to entice them both out and/or pumping some food down into the cavern...I'm really not sure what's going on with #2.

Any more happenings with your group Martin?

Matt
 
Matt, Good luck with your pair. They seem to be extremely skittish at first. I collected 6 myself a while back, lost one, an old female, but the other 5 are doing very well, getting very big also. I then got 2, a mated pair from a collector friend, and set them up in a separate 30 gal tank, I prepared a deep substrate and a cover rock in one end of the tank, so of course, they set up housekeeping (burrow maintainence?) at the other end under a different rock. I didn't see them for a few days after introduction to the tank. Then they came out and began feeding, but within a day or two, only one came out to feed, usually they are always out and about above the burrow. I got concerned after a 4 or 5 days and serched for the missing jawfish. Couldn't find her/him anywhere, evern serched the floor... I guess she/he died and went the way of all flesh... I hope the same fate has not befallen the lost jawfish in your pair.

The remaining jawfish did well in his/her tank for a couple of weeks, then after the loss of the female in the big tank, I moved him/jher to the big, tank, I think I went over that before, but the newly introduced jawfish immediately disappeared, where it went I have no idea. I gave up on him/her after almost a week, then there he/she was again, but under agression from the others, then I rearranged the tank and he/she was gone again. My "rearrangement" was probably similar to bad storm on the reef, but the old guard 5 were unfazed and came out and fed normally after an hour or so. Then several days later the "newby" came out again and has now extablished a burrow deep in the back corner, next to the smallest of the 5, and is feeding normally. I'm hoping for a spawn soon, I still don't know who's female and who's male. Sometimes I think I've got it figured out, sometimes I think they're all male and sometimes all female... I just hope that they know who's who even if I don't. The blackcaps, three pairs?, are still doing fine, it will take a while before they get into spawning condition, it took Bill Addison's pairs a year before they started spawing, but I'm hoping that temperature control and good feeding will shorten the wait.

On feeding, the way I handle the shrimp, and I started using shrimp many years ago for plankton pickers. My rational was that most of a plankton pickers diet was copepods and copepods being crustaceans, were similar in nutriional characteristics, to shrimp, which are also marine custaceans. So to turn a shrimp (basically pennaid table shrimp) into a copepod like food what I do is to peel the shrimp, freeze them into a ball a bit smaller than a baseball, and then grate the shrimp into cold water. The grater is one of those with the cup like holes not the bend out points. You can easyly control the size of the grated bit by selecting the large, medium, or small grater and also by the pressure of the frozen shrimp on the grater, hard pressure produces larger bits. I grate the shrimp into cold water and then feed some and hold the rest under refridgeration for the next few feedings. I used to use fresh water for this but then did some experimentation. The shrimp bits take up the water as they sit in it and I found that when I used fresh water the bits tended to float and stay near the surface, and when I used salt water they tended to sink more quickly, now either of this may work out fine in a particular situation, but I found in my situation that putting them into a half fresh, half salt solution worked best because then they are about neutral in bouyancy and float about the tank in the mid depths simulating very well a planktonic particle. Works good for me..... Admittedly this may not be nutritionally complete food, so I supplement with myscid shrimp. More on that later if you're interested.

Martin
 
Hi Martin, I've been using your shrimp balls for years but never peeled them, I must have missed that part. Actually I did think it was odd but that is how I remember you describing it in the dottyback book, time to do some re-reading :rolleyes:

Off topic I have some fridmani larvae at just 5 days but so far doing better than my previous efforts :) Fingers crossed...
 
Jawfish, breeding and tank set-up

Jawfish, breeding and tank set-up

Seeing yellowheaded jawfish while scuba diving in the Caribbbean and reading these exciting postings on Reef Central I've decided to start a new tank dedicated to these fish.I am hoping that I can get tips on tank set-up that would provide a good environment for them and lead to their breeding. (I'm an experienced fish person, currently with a 30 gal reef tank and a 325 gal planted fresh water community tank featuring discus.)

I have a space on my bathroom sink counter that is calling out for jawfish. The footprint would allow for a comfortable 24 x 13 inch standard sized tank. Hight is an issue. Standard tanks are 18 inches, but if an 8 inch substrate is used, that leaves only 10 inches for socializing and eating and viewing. Would it be really better to get a custom made tank of 24 inches hight and a space squeezing 24 x 15 inch footprint (33 gallons vs 22 gal standard)?

What should the substrate be made of and how deep should it be? Should I include PVC pipe pieces from the get-go?

What filters would work on this deep substrate, what power heads for current and is a protein skimmer a good idea? What about lighting?

Thank you for any help!
Walter
 
I have noticed that "standard" tanks differ slightly from East Coast to West Coast but here a 25 tall is commonly made and available, it's 24 X 12 but closer to 24H.
 
Well, so much for the "Pair"...I'm starting some late night water changes and "razor blading"...I pick up the jawfish rock where both had been living. Only 1 jawfish flees. I then start paying attention to the filtration in the back of the tank where I find the body of a jawfish, partially decayed, resting on top of the prefilter sponge :( This is jawfish loss #2 for us...I think jawfish are just NOT gonna happen! Good luck with yours Martin!

Matt
 
the best way to protect jawfish is to use a piece of plexiglass or glass on top of the tank fitted to fit the inside of the frame so there is no holes for them to jump out.

Ed
 
Walter,
Of course with jawfish, higher is better, but 18 inches is sufficient. The substrate need not be 8 inches, 4 inches is OK and 3 inches is adequate. The key is to have a flatish, concave rock that you can put down with the concave side down and sand substrate around the edge of the rock. The jawfish will excavate a cavern under the rock (you can help them by clearing out some substrate from under the rock) and make entrances at one or the other end. A mix of fine and coarse sand, maybe 50 - 50, there is a lot of variation in nature is good. But be sure to include many small rocks and stones, about a half inch in diameter or length, up to an inch. Shell fragments are good as are fragments of small branching coral. Cover the tank, especially with more shallow tanks, 16 to 18 inches high. You can make artificial burrows with pvc tubes, I did that, but the flat concave rock will work just as well, particularly if you clear it our at one point so that they have an initial entry hole.

Don't worry about special filtration for a deeper substrate, just be sure that you have good biological filtration, get it active (run in) before adding the fish, and do regular water exchanges. A protein skimmer is a good idea if possible, if you get or make one that works on a small tank. Lighting need not be intense, unless you want to include photosythentic organisms as well, a small compact fluorscent lamp fixture would do fine.

I found that new jawfish quickly took to the grated shrimp diet. You may have a problem with feeding if you rely on processed fish food.

Good luck,

Martin
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8096120#post8096120 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MMoe

Admittedly this may not be nutritionally complete food, so I supplement with myscid shrimp. More on that later if you're interested.

Martin

Martin, I will always be interested! Please feel free to enlighten us as your time permits!
Best regards,
Kathy
 
Any and all information that contributes to keeping and successfully breeding these fascinating little beauties I am interested in reading.

I will be using 29s for them, so a deep bed is doable, how many I can put in one to make pairs is a question so will be looking for a very young group although I have never seen juveniles available. Its possible I might use a 55 for a group, I'm going to be setting one up for a pair of tomatoes .
 
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just for reverence on bluespots... the male is the whitish one. when in spawning mood the male bleaches out. it took almost a year for him to exibit this coloration on a heavy diet of krill and mysis and fresh crushed garlic. he did carry eggs 3 or more times but unfortunately they were murdered by now ex friends the murder was the end of a friendship
andy
 
Hey, perhaps you jawfish experts can give me some advice.

I just got a trio of jawfish on Friday. It's now Sunday night.

Friday, they were put in during the afternoon (~3pm), and the hid in the rocks for the rest of the day (as I expected).

On Saturday, two of them had taken up residence on either side of the aquarium, and had tunnelled under the rocks there. The smallest one started digging in the sand in the center of the tank. (It's a 36"x12" 35 gal. tank).

Today, I came home to find all 3 of them hiding under the rock on the left hand side of the tank. They are the only things in there, so I know there is nothing scaring them. Any ideas as to why they are all hiding together? I fed them mysis yesterday and today, and they ate it readily.

Thanks,

Tim
 
if they are juveniles they may well just be hanging out together.

I set up a 29 for them last thursday, crushed coral substrate, with a 8" dia cave an inch or two down into the substrate, plus several other rocks , this morning after the salt stabilised I added a bag of 'live sand' adding another inch or two up the sides of the cave and will have several rocks scattered around if they want to burrow under those, next week will be going to Tropicorium for some stuff for other tanks and will get some coraline rocks and a live rock or two for this one. By nov. should be looking for some yellow heads. I added some 'seeded' pod rocks from an established tank today too. Along with some caulerpa. Slowly, slowly.
 
Yeah, these guys are funny... they seem to be doing some burrow swapping... well, mostly, the smallest will start the work, then get booted out by the biggest. Then he goes and starts work somewhere else... funny to watch at least. They are all feeding well, so I am not too worried.

Tim
 
Jake,
Good to have others setting up jawfish tanks.
What will be the total depth of the substrate in your jawfish tank and what are you doing for filters?
WalterB
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8163024#post8163024 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by saltwaterfishlover
8359bluespots.jpg


just for reverence on bluespots... the male is the whitish one. when in spawning mood the male bleaches out. it took almost a year for him to exibit this coloration on a heavy diet of krill and mysis and fresh crushed garlic. he did carry eggs 3 or more times but unfortunately they were murdered by now ex friends the murder was the end of a friendship
andy

Andy, that's the best picture of a pair of blue dots I've ever seen!

fantastic!

Matt
 
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