Zeovit info

I have not seen any scientific research to back the ZeoSystem. The only source of information that I have seen is what has been published on their website, which supplies no research that I am aware of. Bulletin boards here on RC and other sites are the only available information I am aware of. :)
 
I know I am over my head with Mesocosm. :D

However, I have not seen any research that demonstrates the ZeoSystem in use. If there is somewhere on the site, please let me know, as I would be very interested.

I agree that the research provided does back many of the ingredients in the ZeoSystem. But I do not see research that backs many of the ingredients in the system and/or their combinations.

I agree that your system does work. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14224575#post14224575 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
... your system does work. ...
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ROTFL ... it's not my system. :lol: ;)


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14224575#post14224575 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
... But I do not see research that backs many of the ingredients in the system and/or their combinations. ...
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Hardly surprising, given that the ingredients of ZEOproducts aren't specified ... :D ;)
 
To be perfectly honest, I am fascinated with what the ZEOsystem is able to accomplish in so many hobbyist's tanks, particularly the sps tanks. The direction manual is to be commended in my opinion, particularly when compared to other products available. Some of the ingredients may or may not be helpful. Some of the products in my opinion are not helpful. The basics are good, but there is that entrepreneurial part designed to increase sales, which one should be aware of. I guess this is to be expected to survive in the competitive business climate.

Personally, I like the do-it-yourself aspect of this hobby, which can save quite a bit of money. I like to understand what everything I add to my system does and how it works and I am willing to invest the time researching to discover the answers. Many hobbyists are not willing to do this and in these cases the ZEOsystem fills the gap. Of course they have to pay the price. :D
 
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I really dont understand the assumption from so many non users that there is a huge cost involved with Zeo, especially in the long term.

I have been using it for a year now, on a 80 gal volume system,

The initial start up cost some, mainly due to teh reactor that I choose, but I choose a rather high end one as it had to be user friendly for my wife who doses/shakes rocks when I travel. This could be reduced with a DIY reactor.

I figure my monthly cost break down to about $20 a month. If you consider that I no longer use any phos media and I no longer try and feed the corals, its not a breakeven, but it makes up some of it. Once the system stabilizes after say the first 90 days, the dosing levels really drop.

There are certainly other methods that can be used to achieve the same or better results, and I am not trying to sell the system, but I really think people who dont have experience with the system really overstate the costs involved.

Thanks!
 
I´m more surprised that Bob and Alexander are using the new produt called zeozyme...
whats the meaning?
zeovit system was not good enough and now you must run the new product zeozyme too?

zeozyme are proteolytic enzymes...

protelytic enzymes break proteins in aminoacids...

proteolytic enzymes are obtained from bacteria...
but proteolitic enzymes can be obtained from pinneaple or papaya (bromeline and papaine are proteolitic enzymes)
Meat tenderizer powders are proteolitic enzimes, they are obtained from pineaple or papaya...

Gary (mesocosms)
do you think that meat tenderizer powders can run like zeozyme?

http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=meat+tenderizer+enzymes&meta=

http://zeovit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14701
 
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I think there might possibly be something to some "small" part of those systems that could "possibly" help with colors, growth, etc. But you definitely don't need some 20-part system, with reactors, and put in by hand 2-3 drops per day of this, and 1 drop every other day of that. I just don't see how people can be expected to do stuff like that. Unless you have no life but to sit in front of your tank.

Just look at the latest TOTM. No Zeovit, no nothing. TOTM before didn't even have a refugium. This months just had a ball of cheato in a small section of the sump. They have tremendous SPS growth too. All of that stuff is not necessary. It seems carbon and some sorta Phosphate removal is important. I started messing with Prodibio just to get my Nitrates/Phos. down to ZERO, and it worked, but it killed off my cheato.. AND it's not necessary I'm finding out now b/c most corals even SPS are fine with low levels of Nitrates.

I think they're making a lot of money off stuff like Zeovit just based on hype and some beautiful tanks they are using are Zeovit systems. But none of it is necessary to have a TOTM.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14233327#post14233327 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jk5
... (mesocosm) do you think that meat tenderizer powders can run like zeozyme? ...
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Hehe ... I was wondering when someone was going mention bromelain. After vodka shots, pineapple daiquari dosing is the obvious next logical strategy ...

... :lol: ;)



But seriously, people might be surprised to learn about the diversity of "loose" enzymes in seawater ecosystems & the role that they play in the breakdown of organic molecules. For example ...

... The results strongly suggest trypsin-type and chymotrypsin-type endopeptidases and aminopeptidases were present in the seawater. In most previous studies of proteolytic enzymes in aquatic environments, leucine-aminopeptidase activity measured using a fluorogenic substrate has been used as a model of proteolytic activity. From the results of this study using various peptide analog fluorogenic substrates, the significance of endopeptidases, which could play a key role in downsizing of dissolved proteins and polypeptides to oligopeptides prior to microbial respiration, was confirmed.

Yumiko Obayashi (2005) Proteolytic enzymes in coastal surface seawater: Significant activity of endopeptidases and exopeptidases
Limnol. Oceanogr., 50(2), 722â€"œ726.
http://aslo.org/lo/toc/vol_50/issue_2/0722.pdf
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The marketing of enzymatic compounds for saltwater aquaria is certainly nothing new ... AZ-NO3, BioZyme, and Termin-ite (to name but a few) are all purported enzyme-based products that have been in the marketplace for years.


HTH
:thumbsup:
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14232069#post14232069 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HighlandReefer
I am curious who wrote the manual for the ZEOsystem?
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The first ZeoGuide was compiled by Alexander Girz under the guidance of Thomas Pohl. It has undergone two revisions since it was originally published (current version 1.03 in 2007). Mr. Girz deserves long rounds of applause ... and the gratitude of ZEOusers everywhere ... for his generous contributions of time and expertise.




JMO
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it is a good product you have to fully understand how to use it and tank has to be stable everything i tried did not take hair algae away zeovit did if you havent use the product dont knock it there are many foolish people out there that buys all kinds of additives that really dont work to each there own i find it no more expensive than anything else you use such small amounts they go along way i for one is very happy with results
 
Thanks for posting mesocosm.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14235012#post14235012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mesocosm
Hehe ... I was wondering when someone was going mention bromelain. After vodka shots, pineapple daiquari dosing is the obvious next logical strategy ...

... :lol: ;)
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Yes, I think so... :lol: :lol: :lol:
My only 2 cents that meat tenderizer powders work fine...
I have not got meat tenderizer powders, and I have tried with pinneaple juice (50% pineaple+water+glucose+pectine) and I have obtained similar effects than zeozyme...

It shall be funny...
vodka+pinnaple juice... caribean cocktail... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you very much, mesocosm, for the science abstrat and full PDF about enzymatic proteases...
 
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Gary,

I am curious regarding your personal feelings about the use of UV units in the lower nutrient environments, while dosing a carbon source? :)
 
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