Zeovit system ? Explain

[JT3069]

Some one explain the zeovit system in stupid terms for me and
do you use and like it, is it nessary

i have a 75 with swc 160 skimmer and phosban reator
and cheato in fuge i have no real problems

they say zeovit will give you the pastel colors ? Is this true?

 

[Allmost]

Read this article about probiotic, its the best info in simple terms you can find.

then download the Zeovit guide and read it carefully good info there too.

you can PM if you like more info .. been running Zeovit for years.

http://www.coralmagazine-us.com/content/probiotics-demystified

 

[JT3069]

Next question
husbandry required for this method
is there lot of husbandry ?
If you dont stay on top of every thing going on it sounds like major problems if you have a swing ?
Is this correct

 

[Allmost]

Next question
husbandry required for this method
is there lot of husbandry ?
If you dont stay on top of every thing going on it sounds like major problems if you have a swing ?
Is this correct

Zeovit is not for everyone.

you need to stay on top of your tank and animals health. you also have to be careful and do alot of thinking/research when adding additives.

there is so much a test kit can test for, rest, is what you see and how well you know your animals. I advice Zeovit, to reefers who have kept SPS tank for a long time successfully with no Issues, and like to take their reef to next level.

HTH.

 

[JT3069]

Yeah you are right im not ready for it but want to learn so if i do in time want to i will know how

 

[dzhuo]

I advice Zeovit, to reefers who have kept SPS tank for a long time successfully with no Issues, and like to take their reef to next level.

Can you explain which aspect of keeping SPS that couldn't be easily achieved without Zeovit?

 

[3.99AfterTaxes]

Can you explain which aspect of keeping SPS that couldn't be easily achieved without Zeovit?

Zero nutrient deposits in the substrate and fine tuned control over your SPS colors

 

[dzhuo]

Zero nutrient deposits in the substrate and fine tuned control over your SPS colors

Can you be a little more specific? Does this imply that a tank running with Zeovit has no "nutrient" in the substrate?

 

[3.99AfterTaxes]

Well, when you run a probiotic system, you encourage the growth of heterotrophic bacteria in masses, that would otherwise be unattainable, via carbon food source. So not only will they colonize the media (which also acts as a sponge for NH4, NO2/3 and PO4), they will colonize all of the nutrient deposits in your substrates (liverock included).

This is something you you don't get with "passive" filtration methods like GFO and protein skimmer wherein the dependent factor is how much of these organics actually pass over/through the mediums.

Once you get to this point, it's easier to influence the coloration of your corals since every element's effect isn't subdued by zooanthellae in the coral tissues (effectively magnifying and intensifying them).

I'm a bit of a Zeo fanboy, but only because it has provided me unparallelled results against the backdrop of over 15 years of experience as a successful hobbyist.

Here's some pudding for the proof:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1882074&page=4

Look for my post about halfway down for pics of my corals.

One thing I would note, though, low nutrients doesn't necessarily mean no problem algae (I'm looking at YOU, Valonia, Dictyota and Lobophora, GRRRRRR)...

Hope that helps!

 

[dzhuo]

This is something you you don't get with "passive" filtration methods like GFO and protein skimmer wherein the dependent factor is how much of these organics actually pass over/through the mediums.

I happen to think the exact opposite and tend to believe such filtration methods are a lot more predictable than a black box like Zeovit. If the basic principle of Zeovit is to culture bacteria (regardless of types) and rely on the bacteria as absorbents of N & P, it's not really that much different than a more traditional approach such as carbon dosing. These methods work because the bacteria are eventually to be removed from the tank along with the excess nutrient they absorb. In Zeovit's case, if you culture bacteria without relying on skimmer to export them, what happen after the bacteria eventually dies? Have you seen any published data of the heterotrophic nature of a Zeovit tank vs. a more traditional approach? For example, what type of bacteria strains are you guys able to sustain that won't be possible without Zeovit and what are the benefits these extra strains of bacteria provide in a reef tank?

I'm a bit of a Zeo fanboy, but only because it has provided me unparallelled results against the backdrop of over 15 years of experience as a successful hobbyist.

The sample is too small and there are successful reef tanks with every imaginable set ups and methodologies. There is no question that there are successful Zeovit setups or no one will be willing to try.

Here's some pudding for the proof:

There is no need. I don't question there are tanks running Zeovit successfully just I don't question there are tanks running DSB, SSB, BB, Berlin, NA, etc successfully.

 

[3.99AfterTaxes]

I happen to think the exact opposite and tend to believe such filtration methods are a lot more predictable than a black box like Zeovit. If the basic principle of Zeovit is to culture bacteria (regardless of types) and rely on the bacteria as absorbents of N & P, it's not really that much different than a more traditional approach such as carbon dosing.

Well, I wouldn't disagree with this. In fact, I'd further that by saying that Zeovit is responsible for the multitude of carbon dosing regimes you see today, DIY methods included.

These methods work because the bacteria are eventually to be removed from the tank along with the excess nutrient they absorb. In Zeovit's case, if you culture bacteria without relying on skimmer to export them, what happen after the bacteria eventually dies?

I believe this to be an argument of, with all due respect (truly so), ignorance. You NEED a powerful skimmer in order to use Zeovit. Minus that, the final nutrient export = question mark(?), lol.

Have you seen any published data of the heterotrophic nature of a Zeovit tank vs. a more traditional approach? For example, what type of bacteria strains are you guys able to sustain that won't be possible without Zeovit and what are the benefits these extra strains of bacteria provide in a reef tank?

Sort of. See here for a lot of examples which can be extrapolated upon to define the 'why's and 'hows' of Zeovit:

http://zeovit.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=76

Gary (mesocosm) has assembled a fine archive of scientific papers for our consumption - the fine chap that he is

The sample is too small and there are successful reef tanks with every imaginable set ups and methodologies. There is no question that there are successful Zeovit setups or no one will be willing to try.

I will submit to that. My case was hardly empirical and doesn't take into account my personal habits and dedications. I only use it to illustrate my convictions.

There is no need. I don't question there are tanks running Zeovit successfully just I don't question there are tanks running DSB, SSB, BB, Berlin, NA, etc successfully.

While my feelings are slightly hurt (sad face, frown town), I do see where you're coming from and in such, I believe we have both fulfilled our role in this discussion: questions beget answers and they are forthcoming (I hope ).

 

[dzhuo]

I believe this to be an argument of, with all due respect (truly so), ignorance.

No. It wasn't an argument. Your previous post sound like skimmer is a "passive" filtration method which isn't useful or needed in a Zeovit system. You clarify by saying a skimmer is needed and in fact a powerful skimmer is needed so it's similar to a carbon dosing principle.

While my feelings are slightly hurt (sad face, frown town), I do see where you're coming from and in such, I believe we have both fulfilled our role in this discussion: questions beget answers and they are forthcoming (I hope ).

Never have your feeling hurt in an online discussion.

 

[JT3069]

Keep it coming this is the info i was looking for