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[sailfintang]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12440096#post12440096 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
Zedar, Sailfin - are you two using a potassium test kit? What are your potassium values?

Thats a great question becasue I have no K Kit at this time, I was eying my monti cap but after the die off I am only maintaining what I believe to be a natural K level. Still trying to find a better K Kit than Zeos or cheaper for that matter. I just ordered some of the Seachem reef salt which has the following basic levels:

Chloride 19336 Sodium 10752
Sulfate 2657 Magnesium 1317
Potassium 421 Calcium 442
Carbonate 142 Strontium 9.5
Iodide 0.060 Iron 0.0098 Manganese 0.0023


Notice potassium and thats is ppm.

 

[miwoodar]

I've never seen SeaChem quoted as having 421 ppm of potassium. I wish the reefing world could find two salt studies that even remotely agree with each other. Hmmm.

I am starting to wonder if I might be developing a potassium problem but I am not throwing any K in my tank until I can test for it. This hobby gets expensive!

 

[sailfintang]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12440394#post12440394 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
I've never seen SeaChem quoted as having 421 ppm of potassium. I wish the reefing world could find two salt studies that even remotely agree with each other. Hmmm.

I am starting to wonder if I might be developing a potassium problem but I am not throwing any K in my tank until I can test for it. This hobby gets expensive!

All this info I got came from the fostersmith site where you can get info on the salt make up here is the link to the salt page, just click on the green more info button to review the make up I removed somethings that were just not important to see in my opinion.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.
cfm?pcatid=14916


It either use that or use reefers best which is double the price!!!

 

[Zedar]

Im going to purchase a fauna marin K+ test kit, when they become available.
I only know of one place to buy them in the US Darklordcorals and hes out of stock. Im on the mailing list.

 

[Zedar]

yeah seachem is popular with zeo users. It has close to NSW params

 

[sailfintang]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12441048#post12441048 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zedar
Im going to purchase a fauna marin K+ test kit, when they become available.
I only know of one place to buy them in the US Darklordcorals and hes out of stock. Im on the mailing list.

What does fauna's K Kit run Zedar? Curious as to how it compares with Zeo's. Where can I also get a reliable but cheap Mag test if anyone knows.

 

[sailfintang]

Also I am curious as to what anyone thinks about these two products and if they may have any beneficial use or replace another item we have running in our DIY Zeo method here?

1. Seachem Purigen (filter media)

-Premium synthetic adsorbent removes soluble and insoluble aquarium impurities. Purigen is a macro-porous, synthetic polymer that removes proteins and a broad spectrum of organics at a rate and capacity that exceeds all other chemical filter media by over 500%. Controls ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate, by removing nitrogenous organic waste materials. Seachem Purigen also significantly raises redox to improve aquarium water quality and clarity.


2. Cell Pore Bio Media

-Cell-Pore biological filter media can be reused repeatedly and boast significantly more surface area than any current bio-filter medium. Innovative porous structure can house more beneficial, nitrifying bacteria to effectively remove more ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.


Just curious if these would have any benefit for us or aid in any of the biological filtration with the bacteria. I have placed a few cut strips of the cell pore into my sump to see if any benefit is added. Let me know what you all thinnk.

 

[Zedar]

I use purigen. it polishes the water.

 

[ooja3k]

Zedar,

My KCL should be arriving tomorrow and it couldn't be a day too soon... My monti's polyps are now completely retracted, and its color is definitely fading...

I want to bring it back to health, as many of my past montis have not made it after looking this way...

I want to add the K to my system quickly so I can help this monti out as quickly as I can, but I want to make sure I don't stress anything out by adding it too fast...

What dose would you recommend?? Sailfintang recommended 1 scoop with a glass of RO/DI per day. How much will this raise the K in a 30 gallon tank?? Is it safe with a tank my size to add 2 scoops in a day??

Thanks in advance!

 

[ReefRockerLive]

Sailfin, the FM Kalium Kit is much easier to get an accurate number than the KZ kit since all they supply is a colored strip. After the KZ K+ test, you'll have to estimate your Kalium level within a certain range. I'm not sure how much the Fauna Marin Kalium Kit is going for nowadays, especially since the dollar keeps getting weaker.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12444907#post12444907 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ooja3k
Zedar,

My KCL should be arriving tomorrow and it couldn't be a day too soon... My monti's polyps are now completely retracted, and its color is definitely fading...

I want to bring it back to health, as many of my past montis have not made it after looking this way...

I want to add the K to my system quickly so I can help this monti out as quickly as I can, but I want to make sure I don't stress anything out by adding it too fast...

What dose would you recommend?? Sailfintang recommended 1 scoop with a glass of RO/DI per day. How much will this raise the K in a 30 gallon tank?? Is it safe with a tank my size to add 2 scoops in a day??

Thanks in advance!

I have 120 gallons volume. I dosed two teaspoons per 12 oz glass of di water, twice a day with no ill effect. I did that till the first bottle was gone. I then waited a week and started dosing the second bottle. I dosed the entire second bottle. That was probably a mistake. I started getting greasy brown algae. Which I was warned about by kkris.
1 1/2 bottles was probably right on the money and where i should have stopped. I say that because theres a thread about dosing KCL and that was the value I came away from the thread with. Most of the posters had test kits, and based on my water volume they started off on avg around 220 ppm for K+ it took 1 1/2 bottles of KCL to bring it up to NSW.

I would divide your dose by 4

120(my water volume)/4 = 30(your water volume)

so

1/2 teaspoon in a 12 oz glass of DI water.

Make sure you add it slowly in a high flow area.

half a bottle or a little less should do it.

I would use a quater of a bottle and wait a week to see the results.

Id be willing to bet your Iron and Iodide are also low.

 

[tineng]

guys, from where i came from, there were reported case of reefer's SPS getting great colors using KCL to bring up the potassium level....

However, the same set of reefers (i know 3 of them personally) has reported crab and shrimp dying follow by fishes dying ...reefer from my area has since stopped using KCL to push up out potassium level....anyone facing the same problem that we are getting over here?

 

[stony_corals]

Do not dose KCl without a test kit... many reefers have reported issues when they OD'd on K... If your K levels are low, water changes won't do anything much unless you're only slightly low. How do you know that K levels in RC is low? Did you test?

I wouldn't take a lack of PE to mean anything on your M cap.... When zeo users reported issues with their M caps and found low potassium, what they found was that the coral was very dry and pale.

The only anecdotal information about Iron is a faded look to green corals, but if you have algae (micro, macro), these would probably stopped growing first due to Iron limitation. You have to be careful dosing Iron.... Iodide is the same way, there isn't a lot of scientific data to show the benefit, anecdotal include better blues in blue sps, and better health for xenia...

 

[PSam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12447344#post12447344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
Do not dose KCl without a test kit... many reefers have reported issues when they OD'd on K...

Excellent advice to heed. It seems like a lot of pointing fingers at K levels lately when that may or may not be the case - just looking at a coral won't always tell you exactly what the issue is. It may indeed be an indicator of something you may want to test for... but it's just not prudent to dose something like Kcl without testing - know for sure.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12439886#post12439886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ooja3k
I am using reef crystals which is known to have a low k level.

As far as that goes, my bucket of RC tests over 350 meg /L freshly mixed to 33ppt.... I wouldn't consider that to be *that* low... NSW is 380...

 

[sailfintang]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12447197#post12447197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tineng
guys, from where i came from, there were reported case of reefer's SPS getting great colors using KCL to bring up the potassium level....

However, the same set of reefers (i know 3 of them personally) has reported crab and shrimp dying follow by fishes dying ...reefer from my area has since stopped using KCL to push up out potassium level....anyone facing the same problem that we are getting over here?

I did have some die off but I contribute mine to other factors sucjh as replacing a sand bed as well as possibly v/s/v dosing. read back a few pages and you can see this. I am still trying to get everything stabled out before I start restocking.

 

[Kolognekoral]

Psam, I think he is refering to K+ (potassium) not KH (carbonate measured in meq).

There is no better way to prevent ODing from getting out of control than regular water changes of 5-10%. This will reduce any extra ions, such as iodine, potassium, iron, etc. that may be building up.

According to the research done by Shimek (now a bit old) the skimmer removes quite a few heavy metals from the water, either directly through skimming or indirectly via removing them via skimmed bacteria, etc. Macro Algaes and Xenia are major exporters as well. Unfortunately, he doesn't even mention K+, as this was not a reported issue at the time (2002). More the pity, as it is clear that skimming clearly reduces Na ions and salt in general.

 

[ooja3k]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12447344#post12447344 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
Do not dose KCl without a test kit... many reefers have reported issues when they OD'd on K... If your K levels are low, water changes won't do anything much unless you're only slightly low. How do you know that K levels in RC is low? Did you test?

I wouldn't take a lack of PE to mean anything on your M cap.... When zeo users reported issues with their M caps and found low potassium, what they found was that the coral was very dry and pale.

The only anecdotal information about Iron is a faded look to green corals, but if you have algae (micro, macro), these would probably stopped growing first due to Iron limitation. You have to be careful dosing Iron.... Iodide is the same way, there isn't a lot of scientific data to show the benefit, anecdotal include better blues in blue sps, and better health for xenia...

The m cap has been growing paler and paler over the last couple days, and has gone from great PE, to none. The polyps are fully retracted, and the corals skin is looking thin, and how you describe it, dry. I will start out with a low dose. Around 1/2 teaspoon per day until I see anything.

I read about the signs of potassium deficiency from the zeovit website, and my monti absolutely fits those symptoms to a T.

I used to run poly filter 24/7. Like for 3 months i did this. And I am positive I stripped nearly all trace elements out of the water, including K. I have done a couple water changes while adding coral-vite as a trace element supplement to the tank.


Zedar. Teaspoon? or Tablespoon. I think you guys were talking about tablespoons before... I just want to make sure I get it right.


As far as saying that reef crystals has tested low in K, I just got that info from the AWT salt mixes report. If you are mixing it up to like 330 at 33pt salinity. then that is pretty good. because at 35pt salinity, that should be high ~380. I just have never heard of a salt mix having that much K in it.

Here's the link to that report. I know that some people doubt their accuracy, but look at the lengths they took to do this test right.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1317416&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

 

[PSam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12447773#post12447773 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kolognekoral
Psam, I think he is refering to K+ (potassium) not KH (carbonate measured in meq).

I am referring to K+, and Fauna Marin Kalium test kit.

 

[Zedar]

ooja3k,

I used a teaspoon.

 

[Zedar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12447197#post12447197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tineng
guys, from where i came from, there were reported case of reefer's SPS getting great colors using KCL to bring up the potassium level....

However, the same set of reefers (i know 3 of them personally) has reported crab and shrimp dying follow by fishes dying ...reefer from my area has since stopped using KCL to push up out potassium level....anyone facing the same problem that we are getting over here?

Thanks for the the headsup.

Sail this may be what happened to your tank?

A thread on this forum had quit a few people using it without issue I dont recall one person reporting fish dying. Although most people used test kits and reported no issues.
So it may have been an OD? Not a issue with using KCL?

tineng did your friends use test kits?