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zoo eating nudibranch.
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reefkeeper59
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I started this post on 12/31/04. I thought I'd gotten rid of the nudi's. Last night (2/8/05) I found two more. I took all zoo's (100+) and put them in a seperate 15 gal tank, filled half way full of lugol's dip solution (35 minutes) and then a fresh warm water dip for 40 minutes. Yes, 40 minutes. This is the second time for the warm water (125 degree or so) dip. Ifound only two nudi's dead. I'm sure there was more in the debree in the bottom. What surprized me was a mantis looking shrimp still alive in the tank. Didn't even know I had any.
I put the zoo's in my 120 gal and almost all opened up in 2 hours.
And now? Now I wait for another couple months and do it again. I convinced that if you have a lot of zoo's, the nudi's are part of the equation. Except it , dip and move on.
I put the zoo's in my 120 gal and almost all opened up in 2 hours.
And now? Now I wait for another couple months and do it again. I convinced that if you have a lot of zoo's, the nudi's are part of the equation. Except it , dip and move on.
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reefkeeper59
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The zoo's are full of water. I can see thru them with a light behind them. If a nudi can crawl inside one, dipping will never cure the problem.
Any thoughts or knoledge of nudi inside a zoo?
The zoo's are full of water. I can see thru them with a light behind them. If a nudi can crawl inside one, dipping will never cure the problem.
Any thoughts or knoledge of nudi inside a zoo?
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reefkeeper59
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Another thing. When I do my dips, I don't check PH or anything else. I don't use declore either. Zoo's must be very hardy. 35 min in lugol's (saltwater) and 40 minute fresh warm water dip and they are open and full with color.
I will take a plain brown and put in fresh water for two hours tomarrow and see if it lives. I've forgot and left them sitting out after fraging a few times (waiting for glue to dry). Once for about 30 minutes. It looked dried. They are still alive. On the other hand, I've been careful with some frags and they died (very view).
Bought a tank today for the zoo's. 180 gal. I now have a 240/180/120. I'll probably get another 120 next month.
I will take a plain brown and put in fresh water for two hours tomarrow and see if it lives. I've forgot and left them sitting out after fraging a few times (waiting for glue to dry). Once for about 30 minutes. It looked dried. They are still alive. On the other hand, I've been careful with some frags and they died (very view).
Bought a tank today for the zoo's. 180 gal. I now have a 240/180/120. I'll probably get another 120 next month.
northbay-reefer
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Mfinn I found two of those egg sacks last night on one of my zoo's colony ... those darn nudies
whosjohnny
Premium Member
reefkeeper59, are you married? how can you afford to get 240/180/120 and another 120 without your wife complaining?
reefkeeper59
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It's not just the tank's that are $$$. My electric bill is $490 a month. That will move to $600. I sold the LFS $450 of combo rocks. With a little cash that get's me the 180. He wants another batch next week and I've got them. That get's me the 120. I have a new chiller in the box and plenty of parts (sump,pump,skimmer,lights,etc) left from other tanks to get the 180 going.
30 zoo colonies
80+ zoo frags
30 acro,monti colonies
120+ acro,monti frags
150+ recordia polyps
10 matalic green star polyp colonies
8 palothoa colonies
400lb LR
and lots more
currently have $22,000 invested in my system, including livestock.
my new work center below
30 zoo colonies
80+ zoo frags
30 acro,monti colonies
120+ acro,monti frags
150+ recordia polyps
10 matalic green star polyp colonies
8 palothoa colonies
400lb LR
and lots more
currently have $22,000 invested in my system, including livestock.
my new work center below
reefkeeper59
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Here it is Arpil 11 and I still got the nudi's. Found two the other day. I got the 180 few weeks ago and have the stand almost done. 180 will be a zoo tank only. That way I can take all of them out and dip all and reinsert. Currently it's hard to keep track of which ones have been dipped. I am now up to 400+ frags. I counted 286 zoo frags and colonies. Got 20 more in since then. Over 300 now (zoo's). Other 150+ are sps and recordia.
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crpeck
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I'm right here with ya.
I don't have as many frags and colonies as you do, so you'd think I could have gotten them. Back when we were posting on this thread, I dipped everything ... 3 times .... 3 days apart. I examined every colony under a magnifying glass and pulled egg clusters off with tweezers. I kept 3 that were the worst in quarantine.
This must be right around the time it takes for them to show up again, because I just within the last week have started seeing them again, too. I've sucked 4 out with a turkey baster ... they were big ones.
btw, the colony that got dipped for 40 minutes is doing fine. The colonies in the quarantine tank still don't have nudibranchs, but the main tank got them back. Figures.
Good luck and have fun dipping.
Cathy
I don't have as many frags and colonies as you do, so you'd think I could have gotten them. Back when we were posting on this thread, I dipped everything ... 3 times .... 3 days apart. I examined every colony under a magnifying glass and pulled egg clusters off with tweezers. I kept 3 that were the worst in quarantine.
This must be right around the time it takes for them to show up again, because I just within the last week have started seeing them again, too. I've sucked 4 out with a turkey baster ... they were big ones.
btw, the colony that got dipped for 40 minutes is doing fine. The colonies in the quarantine tank still don't have nudibranchs, but the main tank got them back. Figures.
Good luck and have fun dipping.
Cathy
reefkeeper59
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if I could only invent a nudibranch trap, I'd be rich.
Speckled Grouper
Sticks Suck!
Just finished my dipping exercise for the night. Got only one tonight but it was "the mother of all nudis". I praise myself, I am getting so good at this, I mean spotting them, they are truly masters of disguise.
My beloved LFS has gotten some Sea Grass Wrasses in, but they are in hiding in the sand still, so I got to wait until they can catch one for me......I sure hope that will be the answer to this agony.
My beloved LFS has gotten some Sea Grass Wrasses in, but they are in hiding in the sand still, so I got to wait until they can catch one for me......I sure hope that will be the answer to this agony.
reefkeeper59
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another pic of nudi.
FragFarmer
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yeah they suck arse alright. They retain the color of what ever polyp they are eating to so they blend in perfectly as well as look like part of the polpy they are eating.
reefkeeper59
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hours after total darkness, get a flashlight out and you may be surprised at what you see. The population of these things can get to the hundreds or thousands befere you catch it.
If you have a zoo rock and some of the zoo'z are not open for several days while other 1/2 inch away are fine. You better be checking.
If you have a zoo rock and some of the zoo'z are not open for several days while other 1/2 inch away are fine. You better be checking.
clown fanatic
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ive asked this question almost 3 times and gotten no answer. can you just see these guys walking around. i have what looks to be a head of a nudibranch sticking out of my zoa's. upon further inspection it looks to be living in a clear plactic tube. the tube has to be created by that little bugger because i destroyed it once and with a couple of days there was another one. ive done SEVERAL FW dips and nothing but copepods come off....what do i have?
crpeck
Premium Member
The "clear plastic tube" part throws me. I don't know what that would be. There are a number of creatures that build tubes, maybe feather duster or fan worms. I have a lot of those obnoxious snails that build tiny hard tubes. I don't know clear.
As far as the nudibranchs go, the pictures on this thread are excellent and there should be no more doubt what they look like. Yes, you see them crawling around. They are extremely difficult to spot in the zoanthids because they adapt. They take on the color of the zo colony that they're in and the little ruffles on them look just like the skirts on the zoanthids. If you look carefully, though ... you can see them. The polyp will be closed but you still see a ruffle like a skirt ... hmmm .... look close and you will see that it is the nudibranch instead of the zoanthid. By the time you see them crawling on the glass of you your tank, your zoanthids are probably full of them and sheltering eggs as well.
They don't build tubes. You must have something else. Try Dr. Ron's forum, but you'll get more help from him with more specifics ... a picture would be ideal.
Good luck!
Cathy
As far as the nudibranchs go, the pictures on this thread are excellent and there should be no more doubt what they look like. Yes, you see them crawling around. They are extremely difficult to spot in the zoanthids because they adapt. They take on the color of the zo colony that they're in and the little ruffles on them look just like the skirts on the zoanthids. If you look carefully, though ... you can see them. The polyp will be closed but you still see a ruffle like a skirt ... hmmm .... look close and you will see that it is the nudibranch instead of the zoanthid. By the time you see them crawling on the glass of you your tank, your zoanthids are probably full of them and sheltering eggs as well.
They don't build tubes. You must have something else. Try Dr. Ron's forum, but you'll get more help from him with more specifics ... a picture would be ideal.
Good luck!
Cathy
Speckled Grouper
Sticks Suck!
I have the tubes too, I don't believe they are nudis. I think they are some kind of worm that catches food by releasing a spider like string. I have found it very difficult to find the nudis, they take on the colour of the zoo they are eating. Also, when I dip, nothing seems to happen in the first 3 minutes, then they start emerging...
reefkeeper59
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Turn tank lights out,room light out, wait several hours. shine flashlight on zoo's. If they are there you should spot them. Hard to see during day, hide in skirts. They are nocternal.
The do get on glass at night. Thats how I found mine. Not a sign of them and then one day fifty or so on the glass, early AM.
I had a lot of tubes in a zoo colony. They wher soft tissue and whitish looking. Spounges. I pitched the colony rather than working for weeks to rid. It was a all brown colony and I didn't want spounge to spread too others colonies.
The do get on glass at night. Thats how I found mine. Not a sign of them and then one day fifty or so on the glass, early AM.
I had a lot of tubes in a zoo colony. They wher soft tissue and whitish looking. Spounges. I pitched the colony rather than working for weeks to rid. It was a all brown colony and I didn't want spounge to spread too others colonies.
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