1g Desk Tank @ Work...Pics!
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pledosophy
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Sorry J I have too.
I just want to give a heart felt and sincere apology to Plato. Here we are as human kind evloving for a couple thousand years and still many are not able to grasp the real intnet to the meaning behind the Allegory. Sad state of afairs. The Cave Allegory is not about living conditions but more about the perception of ones's own reality and the world that surrounds them. The point of te Allegory was not to adress if one could live chained to a wall staring at shadows through the course of there life, but to address the perception of those shadows, in turn how we percieve the world around us and it's true cause. More so when you read on to the end of the Allegory how one reacts upon discovering the true source behind there perception of reality. Again very sorry to Plato, but half of these people still think that Socrates was a real living person and not one of your characters. How many more generations must live beofore you can be understood, I do not know.
Sorry but IMO Plato is seriously being screwed here. Obviously somone did not do so well on there Philosophy 101 final.
We can go on and on for years about tank size, wait rephrase, we've been going on and on for years about appropriate tank size. All sides of the debate have been well expressed time and time again over these years. JAdams is not some new kid on the block, but a very experienced reef keeper, not to mention for all of those that are predicting failure, he has done this before, and has a larger more suitable tank to move the clown to when the time comes.
As long as we're going to continue the topic of endles ranting can we at least change it to a debate about his sandbed and how many inches it should or should not be, or whether or not he should use MH or T5's. This thread is getting boring.
Jeremy, the tank looks great keep it up.
On another positive note I would like to commend all of those in this thread that have embraced the use of the word hater. It affects me deeply I could have such influence over your vocabulary. Let me close with these final words of, mass props to those of ya keeping it real.
Peace
I just want to give a heart felt and sincere apology to Plato. Here we are as human kind evloving for a couple thousand years and still many are not able to grasp the real intnet to the meaning behind the Allegory. Sad state of afairs. The Cave Allegory is not about living conditions but more about the perception of ones's own reality and the world that surrounds them. The point of te Allegory was not to adress if one could live chained to a wall staring at shadows through the course of there life, but to address the perception of those shadows, in turn how we percieve the world around us and it's true cause. More so when you read on to the end of the Allegory how one reacts upon discovering the true source behind there perception of reality. Again very sorry to Plato, but half of these people still think that Socrates was a real living person and not one of your characters. How many more generations must live beofore you can be understood, I do not know.
Sorry but IMO Plato is seriously being screwed here. Obviously somone did not do so well on there Philosophy 101 final.
We can go on and on for years about tank size, wait rephrase, we've been going on and on for years about appropriate tank size. All sides of the debate have been well expressed time and time again over these years. JAdams is not some new kid on the block, but a very experienced reef keeper, not to mention for all of those that are predicting failure, he has done this before, and has a larger more suitable tank to move the clown to when the time comes.
As long as we're going to continue the topic of endles ranting can we at least change it to a debate about his sandbed and how many inches it should or should not be, or whether or not he should use MH or T5's. This thread is getting boring.
Jeremy, the tank looks great keep it up.
On another positive note I would like to commend all of those in this thread that have embraced the use of the word hater. It affects me deeply I could have such influence over your vocabulary. Let me close with these final words of, mass props to those of ya keeping it real.
Peace
Slakker
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Many of us haven't studied philosophy, and were forced to attempt to interpret Plato's Allegory based on the dismal information we were supplied with. I believe that was your bad.
Furthermore, there's no concrete evidence to support Socrates as a purely fictional character, just as there's not much to say that he was flesh and blood. We'll never know, but for you to say that you do is just as insulting to Plato as a few people misunderstanding the point of a philosophy we were poorly introduced to.
Maybe I wouldn't ace a Philosophy final, but at least I'd do fine in spelling and grammar.
It would probably be best if you'd refrain from insulting our intelligence any further.
Oh, and since you brought Darwin into it, between adapting the environment to our needs, and modern medicine, our species is making swift work of natural selection. Evolving? Hmm....
This may be the most absurdly off topic I've ever seen a thread go...I'm almost ashamed to be a part of it.
Furthermore, there's no concrete evidence to support Socrates as a purely fictional character, just as there's not much to say that he was flesh and blood. We'll never know, but for you to say that you do is just as insulting to Plato as a few people misunderstanding the point of a philosophy we were poorly introduced to.
Maybe I wouldn't ace a Philosophy final, but at least I'd do fine in spelling and grammar.
It would probably be best if you'd refrain from insulting our intelligence any further.Oh, and since you brought Darwin into it, between adapting the environment to our needs, and modern medicine, our species is making swift work of natural selection. Evolving? Hmm....
This may be the most absurdly off topic I've ever seen a thread go...I'm almost ashamed to be a part of it.
MiddletonMark
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IMO, I don't see a huge difference between either fraction, they are all sub-optimal environments.
As stated earlier:
Always strive for the optimum environment, not the minimum environment.
Personally, I'm more shocked by the clams in these tanks. Given the Ca demand and general long-term stability/light demands I've encountered off my Crocea in the last 3 years of keeping - while nanos allow easy levels-balancing with a w/c ... a growing clam, if healthy, sure inhales Ca + Alk and IMO will be difficult to keep up with [esp with most salt mixes, which are low in either Ca or Alk].
Also - most lower-light clams [derasa/squamosa], when healthy, will grow inches a year [so I've seen in larger tanks]. Most I've seen will hit 6" within a year and half in-tank, if thriving.
JMO - I'm not fond of many fish in small tanks - but IMO a very small clown may be a better choice than other livestock [fish or non-fish]. If we're going to debate what should be kept in what size tank .... careful.
Jadams
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9823188#post9823188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Maybe I wouldn't ace a Philosophy final, but at least I'd do fine in spelling and grammar.
To everyone on this thread, lets try to not insult anyone any further. As stated before, I was simply posting pics of my new desk tank. Nothing meant in anyway to go where this thread has gone.
MiddletonMark - Thanks for your input about the clams. Just as an FYI- im not putting a clam in this tank this time around though. Because of lighting issues and not "being around" on the weekends, i will not be putting one in this tank.
pledosophy - Thanks for your continued input aswell. And just an FYI - My "deep" sand bed is 1 1/2" deep all the way around...LOL
Slakker - I think by now we all feel a little ashamed of being part of a thread that has been 100% completely blown outta porportion. No worries, thanks for your part as well.
RevHtree
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9823073#post9823073 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
Sorry J I have too.
I just want to give a heart felt and sincere apology to Plato. Here we are as human kind evloving for a couple thousand years and still many are not able to grasp the real intnet to the meaning behind the Allegory. Sad state of afairs. The Cave Allegory is not about living conditions but more about the perception of ones's own reality and the world that surrounds them. The point of te Allegory was not to adress if one could live chained to a wall staring at shadows through the course of there life, but to address the perception of those shadows, in turn how we percieve the world around us and it's true cause. More so when you read on to the end of the Allegory how one reacts upon discovering the true source behind there perception of reality. Again very sorry to Plato, but half of these people still think that Socrates was a real living person and not one of your characters. How many more generations must live beofore you can be understood, I do not know.
Sorry but IMO Plato is seriously being screwed here. Obviously somone did not do so well on there Philosophy 101 final.
We can go on and on for years about tank size, wait rephrase, we've been going on and on for years about appropriate tank size. All sides of the debate have been well expressed time and time again over these years. JAdams is not some new kid on the block, but a very experienced reef keeper, not to mention for all of those that are predicting failure, he has done this before, and has a larger more suitable tank to move the clown to when the time comes.
As long as we're going to continue the topic of endles ranting can we at least change it to a debate about his sandbed and how many inches it should or should not be, or whether or not he should use MH or T5's. This thread is getting boring.
Jeremy, the tank looks great keep it up.
On another positive note I would like to commend all of those in this thread that have embraced the use of the word hater. It affects me deeply I could have such influence over your vocabulary. Let me close with these final words of, mass props to those of ya keeping it real.
Peace
Evolution??? Nah I wont go there.
Nice little tank! You have mad me consider one! LOL!
10" Red Devil
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So are those TPS reports in the first picture lol! Sorry but I couldnt resist!
Doglover_50
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If a hater curses under his breath in the forest, does anyone hear it?
Answer: Yes! Plato in his cave!
Answer: Yes! Plato in his cave!
Batray_Girl
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9818196#post9818196 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by burton14e7
Agreed, thats where I was going with the being able to measure health but sometimes others can word things better than me
that's flattering
you'd never know i stutter
burton14e7
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9827659#post9827659 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Batray_Girl
that's flattering
you'd never know i stutter
HOLLA! What is this 20gallon predator reef? Sharks in a 20gallon???!! Giving Jadams a run for his money.
10" Red Devil
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Ill tell ya if its a space issue that is worrying some with a perc going in a one gallon, every perc I had just wiggles around like a puppy dog in one stinking place, they never go far from a particular place in the tank. Especially when an anemone is involved. However there will not be an anemone in this tank, but regardless they just are not real active fish.
Although I personally would suggest perhaps a neon goby they are so small a gallon would do them very nicely!! Might even be able to keep 2. They are so cheap and hardy, they are cleaners of other fish somewhat.
Oh and Jadams, I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday and Sunday too, we lost some people this week and were going to have to play a bit of catch-up. Okay...Thanks alot Jadams!
Although I personally would suggest perhaps a neon goby they are so small a gallon would do them very nicely!! Might even be able to keep 2. They are so cheap and hardy, they are cleaners of other fish somewhat.
Oh and Jadams, I'm going to need you to come in on Saturday and Sunday too, we lost some people this week and were going to have to play a bit of catch-up. Okay...Thanks alot Jadams!
Rosseau
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9823073#post9823073 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
Sorry J I have too.
I just want to give a heart felt and sincere apology to Plato. Here we are as human kind evloving for a couple thousand years and still many are not able to grasp the real intnet to the meaning behind the Allegory. Sad state of afairs. The Cave Allegory is not about living conditions but more about the perception of ones's own reality and the world that surrounds them. The point of te Allegory was not to adress if one could live chained to a wall staring at shadows through the course of there life, but to address the perception of those shadows, in turn how we percieve the world around us and it's true cause. More so when you read on to the end of the Allegory how one reacts upon discovering the true source behind there perception of reality. Again very sorry to Plato, but half of these people still think that Socrates was a real living person and not one of your characters. How many more generations must live beofore you can be understood, I do not know.
Sorry but IMO Plato is seriously being screwed here. Obviously somone did not do so well on there Philosophy 101 final.
We can go on and on for years about tank size, wait rephrase, we've been going on and on for years about appropriate tank size. All sides of the debate have been well expressed time and time again over these years. JAdams is not some new kid on the block, but a very experienced reef keeper, not to mention for all of those that are predicting failure, he has done this before, and has a larger more suitable tank to move the clown to when the time comes.
As long as we're going to continue the topic of endles ranting can we at least change it to a debate about his sandbed and how many inches it should or should not be, or whether or not he should use MH or T5's. This thread is getting boring.
Jeremy, the tank looks great keep it up.
On another positive note I would like to commend all of those in this thread that have embraced the use of the word hater. It affects me deeply I could have such influence over your vocabulary. Let me close with these final words of, mass props to those of ya keeping it real.
Peace
It's obvious that the thread has gone down this path, and isn't about to jump off of it. But thanks for trying to save it you great forum crusader.
I do feel as though I should defend myself. I don't know why you posted my quote and then talked about misinterpretation of Plato's ideas.
I was responding to the way in which Slakker applied the cave allegory to the clown in a tank.
If you spared a little extra energy when reading through the thread you would have noticed that I have acknowledged that Plato's allegory is not about human physiology (metabolism etc). Thus, I pointed out that it's a tough one to apply here.
You're not the only kid on the block who realizes that we can (and have) debate(d) about DSB's, tank size and the finer points of MH vs T5. Pointing this out doesn't make you witty, unique or insightful.
Internet forums are places to exchange ideas and information - at least it was last time I checked. Or, have we already talked enough about everything out there? What should we put on the agenda, oh wise one?
Again - I'm not in disagreement with your interpretation of allegory of the cave - Which is why I don't understand how you picked me out to post beneath.
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