3g Sea Apple Pico

Friedrichs85

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Hello. My name is Zack. I am an experienced aquarist, but new user to Reef Central. I have used other forums in the past, but came here bc the people seem to be more mature and respectful. :)

I will simultaneously post html updates from my blog (http://seaapplepico.blogspot.com) here.

Please read my next post before posting any criticism about myself keeping a sea apple. If your question or concern is not answered there, please feel free to bring it up here respectfully.

Thanks for checking out my thread and please feel free to leave me feedback :)

- friedrichs85
 
<span style="font-family:georgia;"><strong>Hello visitors and welcome to the inaugural post of my Sea Apple Blog.</strong></span>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;">My name is Zack and I am a Saltwater Aquarist in Colorado with a few years of reef keeping experience. After extensive research, I have started on a 3G pico saltwater tank to house one of the most bizzare, illusive, and unnerving inverts in the hobby - <strong>Pseudocolochirus Axilogus, the Australian Sea Apple.</strong></span><strong>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;"><a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_VLr1mC10NTY/Rx5P4OsTeEI/AAAAAAAAAAM/s4Lqg9Iwnjk/s1600-h/52382415_P1010350a.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5124621253429393474" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0px 10px 10px 0px; CURSOR: hand" alt="" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_VLr1mC10NTY/Rx5P4OsTeEI/AAAAAAAAAAM/s4Lqg9Iwnjk/s320/52382415_P1010350a.jpg" border="0" /></a>This species of Cucumber, while highly desired, is perhaps best known for its ability to wipe out an entire tank with powerful toxins stored in the body walls and organs on the invertebrate. The Sea Apple does this as a means of defense, or upon death (usually by starvation).</span>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;">I am, above all, a responsible Aquarist. I do not believe in putting an animal in your tank to die of stress or malnutrition. Hence, I do extensive research on any animal I plan to keep. So how do I plan to surmount the problems that lead to a Sea Apple disaster? </span>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;">#1) Provide it with a suitable environment, where it cannot be picked on/attacked by other species. A sea apple is a fairly dormant suspension feeding cucumber. Once it finds a high current spot to call its home, it stays there for often weeks or months at a time. Thus, with high current, the need for a larger aquarium is not necessary. The primary challenge pertaining to the tank will be related to water quality. Also, this will be a species-specific tank, with perhaps down the road a few peaceful additions that will pose no threat to the Apple. Lighting is immaterial to these invertebrates.</span>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;">#2) Provide it proper foods and supplements. Sea Apples feed copiously on Phytoplankton, not brine shrimp as many sites publish. The animal can appear to be in good health for some time, however, it is internally eating itself away, and by the time it shows symptoms of starvation, it is often too late... I plan to feed the invertebrate correctly and effectively.*</span>
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<span style="font-family:georgia;">So please, stay tuned to my blog for further updates and photos as the project progresses. Thank you for visiting, and please feel free to leave me constructive feedback!</span>
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<span style="font-size:85%;">*(ROB TOONEN, Ph.D. Advanced Aquarist Online Magazine, March 2003. Internet. </span></span><a href="http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2003/invert.htm"><span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;">http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2003/invert.htm</span></a><span style="font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;">)</span>
 
<div align="center"><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_VLr1mC10NTY/Rx55fusTebI/AAAAAAAAADc/xrSTaiNX1A8/s1600-h/boxopen.JPG"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5124667012010965426" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_VLr1mC10NTY/Rx55fusTebI/AAAAAAAAADc/xrSTaiNX1A8/s320/boxopen.JPG" border="0" /></a> <em><span style="font-size:85%;">Packaging from DrsFosterSmith.</span></em>
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<div align="center">For the pico tank, I went with a TOM Deco 3 Kit. The aquarium consists of acrylic construction, an 80gph power filter, and 18w 10k/actinic pc fixture with bulb included.</div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center">I paid $39.99 for the tank at <a href="http://www.drsfostersmith.com/">http://www.drsfostersmith.com/</a>, and I am thusfar very pleased. 18w fixture is not 'cheesey' and filter is very quiet. I also ordered a Minijet 404, and a coralife digital thermometer. Using the coupon code <strong>k=2605/4017</strong> (5$ off), I wound up paying about $60 with shipping. I am going to buy the other supplies locally at petco/smart.</div>
<div align="center"></div><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5124667024895867330" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; CURSOR: hand; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_VLr1mC10NTY/Rx55gesTecI/AAAAAAAAADk/qzxfNJTKR28/s320/assembled2.JPG" border="0" /><em><span style="font-size:85%;">Aquarium (Assembled)</span></em></div>
 
<div align="center"></div><div align="center">After testing out the tank, I went to my <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">LFS</span></span></span> and picked up a nice 3# piece of Tonga branch live rock and 1# of live sand. I miscalculated, and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">am</span> going to need at least another # of live sand.</div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center">On a side note, I got electrocuted <strong>TWICE</strong> going through <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">LFS</span>'</span></span> live rock bin! The <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">fixture</span> over <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">thier</span></span> bin (a rusty old metal <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">fluorescent</span> <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">fixture</span>) had water dripping from the <strong>SOCKETS</strong> and a power cord running vertically, draped in the water, and plugged into an outlet an inch from the tub with water dripping from it! Can you say <strong>FIRE</strong>?</div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center"></div><div align="center">I will update when cycle is finished.</div><div align="center">
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</div><div align="center"><span style="font-size:85%;"><em>Tank is currently in time out on a bar stool for a couple of weeks while it cycles...</em></span></div><div align="center">
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"something on the order of 3” of cucumber per 20 gallons of reef aquarium seems to be a good rule of thumb to follow*"

*(ROB TOONEN, Ph.D. Advanced Aquarist Online Magazine, March 2003. Internet. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/iss...2003/invert.htm)

good luck though

cheers

edit: basically almost everything i know about sea apples I just read in the last five minutes from the link you posted, but I have a question....he says they need to be eating about once a minute, which would imply a decent concentration of phyto, which would then get depleted quickly, which would then require more phyto...so are you going to slowly drip a large supply of phytoplankton into the water or megadose phyto into the pico on a more spread out schedule, possibly negatively affecting the water quality for a sensitive invert.

just wondering?
 
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A friend of mine has a thriving apple that has been in a 6g now for 2 years. The key will be controlling phyto feeding and keeping the water quality high.

I am going to feed it live phyto. The phyto will remain in the tank and re-circulate after initial feeding.

In the aforementioned tank, the owner adds a tiny dose of phyto three times a day. Of course I will adjust feeding to the size/etc. of the apple and tank.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11039220#post11039220 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by grimmjohn
"something on the order of 3” of cucumber per 20 gallons of reef aquarium seems to be a good rule of thumb to follow*"

In the article, he is referring to a study of the species Actinopyga mauritiana, a bottom-feeding cucumber. I believe his reasoning in that size is so that the cuc has enough matter to scavange.

Sea Apples and Yellow Cucumber are suspension feeders, hence they should not require the same amount of surface area as they do not feed on the nasties on the bottom of the tank.
 
thanks! I dont think we'll have to wait long for the lfs to burn down... It will give me something to post pics of during the cycle...

I have to go back today for another # of live sand - I should bring up to the owner how incredibly unsafe and/or lethal that is...
 
I have a poll on my blog as to which Shrimp I should choose... Votes are strongly supporting a Sexy!

I dont know a whole lot about the Sexy Anemone shrimp, but I do know they only eat live seastars... Do they kill the star and then eat it, or nibble on it while it is alive? Since a brittle star can quickly regenerate, wouldnt this be a continuous source of live food :confused:

Im sure it would die eventually, but I am assuming replenishing the stars would be far and few between...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11043736#post11043736 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by churmak
You have sexy shrimp confused with harlequin shrimp. The harlequins are the ones that eat starfish.

oook... yeah I had them confused. Thx for clearing that up!
 
Really cool idea. I'm looking into keeping a sea apple myself. It would be part of a tank dedicated to filter feeders and soft corals.

I just have one suggestion. Why not go with a closed loop? The tank is acrylic, so you don't have to worry about drilling it so long as you're careful. You can use a couple of uniseals. Then just have a good sized pump constantly pumping the water from one side to the other. If done right, this could create a strong, uni-directional laminar flow, which is perfect for filter feeders. You could section off the intake with some egg crating.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11044998#post11044998 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aninjaatemyshoe
Really cool idea. I'm looking into keeping a sea apple myself. It would be part of a tank dedicated to filter feeders and soft corals.

I just have one suggestion. Why not go with a closed loop? The tank is acrylic, so you don't have to worry about drilling it so long as you're careful. You can use a couple of uniseals. Then just have a good sized pump constantly pumping the water from one side to the other. If done right, this could create a strong, uni-directional laminar flow, which is perfect for filter feeders. You could section off the intake with some egg crating.

(I am user Friedrichs85 - for some reason I cannot login with that username anymore)

That is an awesome idea! And I think im gonna do it... I just have to figure out how to design it now...
 
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