430gal., L-shaped display

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Thanks, y'all!

arent they very challenging to keep

Well, yes. Stomach content analysis of wild fish shows that about 95% of their diet is stony coral polyps. Most people will tell you that they are "obligate" corallivores. The problem is to find out if they eat stony corals because the corals have something their bodies _need,_ or if there's some other reason. I personally believe that they eat corals in the wild because they're really pretty bad at catching moving food. So, they get out-competed for all of the good stuff. But, that's just my personal opinion. But, if it's true that means that once you get them out of the habit of eating corals and get them eating something they want more, they'll never look at another Acro. And that seems to be what I'm seeing, with these two at least.

In a similar vein, stomach contents show that the diet of Queen angels in the wild is about 97% sponge. But no one calls them "obligate" sponge eaters because you can get them eating other foods. People will tell you to use sponge foods for some of their diet. Why? Because no one knows if sponges have something the fish need (it can't hurt to get sponges in the fish's diet and might be good for them), sponges are easy to culture, and it probably sells some food flats for Ocean Nutrition.

So, it's probably the same for these fish. If you are going to try them, you must be prepared for the possibility that they'll _never_ eat prepared foods and you might have to feed them a steady diet of Acro frags for the rest of their lives. But, we're at the point that Acro frags are fairly easy to grow. So....

But, like I say, these two have never visibly damaged another Acro after their first week or so in captivity. In fact, I may still use their tank as a frag tank, one of these days. :)
 
Andy,
Is it considered a sickness if I can't sit down at my computer without first checking on your thread. I think I may be living vicariously through you. Tell us a little bit about your water chemistry, such as what you will be adding initially and what your water changes will entail.
 
Well, thanks. I'm not sure there's enough excitement in my life to share amongst the both of us, though. ;)

Umm, chemistry. I'm not a big fan of chemistry sets. I tend to watch the tank and do a WC when the tank tells me to. That said, I also keep an eye on the pH and ORP readings and change water when those start to head south.

Oddly enough, I was going to do a WC tonight anyway so I took some pictures.

I have a water change tank. It's my old 120. To start, I cut feed line off from the rest of the system:

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I have a bulkhead in the bottom of the tank with a ball valve. I run the hose to the floor drain:

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When the tank level gets down to the point I want it (anywhere from a small amount to fully drained), I turn off the flow to the floor drain and put the hose up from the saltwater reservoir. I have a circulation closed-loop on the reservoir, but if I open a ball valve the circulation pump pushes water wherever the hose goes.

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After it fills I cut the line from the rest of the system back on so the new water slowly mixes into the system. Simple, easy, fast.
 
Andy, I found your thread when Christina posted up the local builds. I must say I am very impressed! I wish I could have the time and patience you have. Your attention to detail is 1st rate.

On the concrete rock, there is a cement mixture sold at Lowe's that is for wells. It only takes a few days to clear the ph to a level that won't impact tank ph.
 
Nice setup, congrats no your success with the file fish.

How do you determine there sex?

What type of fish is the copepod predator?

will it eat just copepods or will it eat other small Crustacean like scuds and shrimps.

Any special requirements for him?
 
Well Ken, I've got a pretty light load at the moment. I have ... what ... 5 corals in 800-900 gallons of water? I have the top-off water running through a kalkwasser stirrer, but I haven't added any kalkwasser to it yet. That's my first choice for calcium because it keeps the pH high. After that, I do have a calcium reactor. I mostly used a two-part on my last system, but it gets kind of expensive on big systems. That said, I may be buying in bulk one of these days. :)

I try not to dose stuff that I can't test for so I don't do trace elements or iodine. There are iodine tests, but their range is outrageous. I guarantee that I will find a way to screw up the test enough to make it completely unreliable. I feed a lot and I'm sure that I'm giving them enough iodine through the food.

Hey murf! What's up? Nice words. Thanks! Yeah, a little late with the concrete advice though, huh? :) Oh, you know, the cure will be over one of these days and then I have the rest of my life or at least 'til I get sick of the rock work. I got most of the rest of the dye off the glass tonight, so I'm getting pretty antsy. :)

But, you know, I still have fish to play with. They give me something to do.

New file photo:

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Look how fat the female looks after eating pods _all_ _day_ _long_:

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Hey Mr. Biggs! Sorry I was working on the last post when you wrote in. On the files, the males have more orange on the ventral flap and some white polka dots. The females sometimes have some orange, but their ventral flap is mostly black. In the photo I just posted, the male is on the left.

The pipefish is a dragonface, probably along the lines of Corythoichthys haematopterus, though I don't know much about pipefish classification. I would assume that it eats anything it can fit in its snout, which ain't much as you can see. The big deal is that they eat red bugs (Acro predators) and the pipes do pretty well in reef tanks as long as they can get out of the flow sometimes. I've kept them before and the family loves them, so I'm pretty much out of the decision-making process there.

The truth is, I'm not sure that I've ever gotten one onto prepared foods. I'm pretty proud of the photo 'cause that's the first time I've ever recorded one of them eating anything. They just pick at rocks all day. So, I'll keep an eye on them (I actually put four in).
 
I love the new additions! There is a guy on my local board who is keeping just one filefish, and I believe its female. He is actually tracting is preference for which SPS polyps it prefers most often. As far as I know, he has not tried, not like you have, to get his onto prepared foods.
 
Dang. I hate it when the LFS gets in _really_ good-looking livestock. Without further ado:

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These guys are _huge_!

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And in other news, the tunicate volunteers that showed up on the coral are doing really well. Sorry this is a little fuzzy. I did my best with the glass.

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Hopefully the glass won't be a huge issue for long. I just got in an order of snails from RSF that I hope will have a large population explosion.

The display pH is taking longer to settle down (less buffer from the concrete?), but eventually hit 8.8 after ~24 hours. So, another water change today.
 
Good pick up Andy! Now if you only had any pods to feed them.:p

I can't wait until September, meeting at your house, right?
I forgot to ask, are you going to be doing any breeding of pipefish? If so, what kinds?I hope you get your ph in line soon, keep up the watering of the lawn!
 
No doubt, eh? The filefish have been eating pods 14 hours straight every day in their tanks since I put them in and I can still see hundreds of them on the glass.

I really hope I can get the house clean by September. We need to get well at some point. My kid hasn't been to school since last Thursday--really just fevers and body aches--and I've had the same for the last couple of days. The curtain is finally supposed to go up in the bathroom tomorrow, so something is moving forward.

I hadn't really made any serious plans for pipe breeding, other than a general "I'd sure like to try them." I think I'd probably want to try the dragonfaced pipes, but there are so many cool species. I would think the hard part would be getting the broodstock onto frozen foods so you can really condition them.

As an aside, I caught the male filefish doing a "Flutter Dive" display (so named by Barlow in the paper where he describes it) tonight. Basically, the male's coloration intensifies (I mean _bright_) especially in the face; his dorsal and anal fins turn bright yellow; the line on his snout turns into a dark blue stripe; he opens and shuts his caudal fin like a fan, rapidly, while at the same time flapping his ventral flap so that the orange part looks like a flashing light. He was mainly aiming this at a rival male (his own reflection in the glass) getting near his female.

That's supposed to be the first step to getting a spawn out of them. :) The male will probably continue with this for a while before the female starts to respond. (Well, _if_ the female ever starts to respond.)
 
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(Well, _if_ the female ever starts to respond.)
Andy
You know women -- playing hard to get. :p :p
 
Leading to desperation and that's just never attractive.... :)

Male displaying all over the place tonight. Both were very agitated, but the female hasn't started the "algae ramming" thing yet that I've seen. So, more desperation....
 
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