58g Potential Stock List

[a bag of it]

Hey guys, my 58g oceanic tank has been up almost a week now. Due to the well established live rock, I believe my tank has already cycled, though I'm gonna give it another few days before I add anything. I'm currently testing at 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, .25 nitrate. What do you guys think about this stock list:

CUC:
30 Dwarf Ceriths
15 Nassarius
10 Florida Ceriths
7 Assorted Hermits
7 Large Nerites and 5 Small Nerites
I was also going to get some chaeto to add to the refugium

Soon:
Pair of clownfish (not sure what type yet)
Bangaii Cardinal
Royal Gramma
Some type of sand sifting goby


Later:
Melanurus Wrasse
Maybe a Mystery Wrasse
Green Mandarin

Possibly last even though I know I shouldn't:
Purple or Yellow Tang

As far as corals go, I'm interested in all types, but currently my favorites are zoa's.

What do you guys think? Do you see any conflicts? What type of clowns and goby should I get? Can you mix a black and white clown with a regular one? Is there a specific order I should add them? Would it be safe to add the CUC, Cardinal, and goby all at once?

 

[klwheat]

Please don't add a tang. That's just not enough real estate for one. I know they're beautiful, but please wait until you upgrade to a bigger tank (and you will...lol) and get one then.

 

[a bag of it]

ok, now that that's out of the way...how bout all the other questions I asked and fish I listed

 

[jaa1456]

I think that is a lot of cerith snails, but in my past experience any sand sifting goby is a pain. If you put any corals on your sand bed(and you will) the goby will cover them right up. I will never get another sand sifter.

 

[a bag of it]

Reef cleaners suggested a lot more than that too, this was their original recommendation:

50 Dwarf Ceriths
21 Nassarius
17 Florida Ceriths
14 Assorted Hermits
9 Large Nerite and 7 Small Nerite

 

[a bag of it]

Ok the CUC went in yesterday and looks happy. I was thinking about adding a pistol shrimp goby pair first, then a cardinal fish. any thoughts?

 

[SecretiveFish]

...

CUC: IME, will dwindle down to what that tank can support, and I think that you will loose some of your CUC. That is a lot more CUC than I would put in there.
30 Dwarf Ceriths
15 Nassarius
10 Florida Ceriths
7 Assorted Hermits
7 Large Nerites and 5 Small Nerites
I was also going to get some chaeto to add to the refugium

Soon:
Pair of clownfish (not sure what type yet) Sure, these are great fish.
Bangaii Cardinal Should be fine.
Royal Gramma Should be fine
Some type of sand sifting goby I would not get a sandsifting goby. Why? They may not get enough food from your sandbed and starve to death, will eat all the beneficial in your sandbed, make a mess of the tank, can kill corals if it throws too much sand on them, and if you did not glue your rocks together and/or put the rocks in before you put the sand in, you will get rock collapses. I really like gobies, but not sandsifting gobies. Yellow watchman, orange spotted, hi-fin banded, and pink spotted watchman are my favorites.

Later:
Melanurus Wrasse I have one of these and like him; however, some people report that these eat their CUC and shrimp. Mine has not done this but it is a possibility as each fish is an individual. Also, I would not add another wrasse with one of these unless you are able to get a pair of the specific wrasse type.
Maybe a Mystery Wrasse Known shrimp/CUC eaters. Don't get a pistol shrimp if you get one of these. Also do not get any other wrasses if you get one of these and these guys tend to get nasty when they fully mature.
Green Mandarin Please don't. Unless you have a refugium the size of your tank and mature already (6+ months), it will slowly starve to death.

Possibly last even though I know I shouldn't:
Purple or Yellow Tang No

What do you guys think? See above Do you see any conflicts? Yes What type of clowns and goby should I get? Ocellaris or True Percula would be my pick. Many other clown species get really aggressive as they mature. Can you mix a black and white clown with a regular one? Don't know, always curious about that one. Is there a specific order I should add them? Most peaceful first/most aggressive last. Would it be safe to add the CUC, Cardinal, and goby all at once? You already added your CUC, but in the future, I think it would have been OK to add some of that CUC and the two fish, after quarantining the fish of course:lol2:

Now your last question, I think you should be OK adding the goby/pistol shrimp and then the cardinal.

 

[a bag of it]

Ok, here's an update of my potential stocklist after listening to everyone's advice.

In order:
Randall's Goby w/red banded pistol shrimp
Cardinal
Clown Pair (either snowflake or picasso)
Royal Gramma (maybe, not 100% sure)
Midas Blenny (not 100% sure either)
2-3 Flasher/Fair wrasses (Carpenter's, Red Velvet, Orange-back)

After tank has developed and matured:
Green Mandarin (after I'm confident in my refugium)
Schooling Bannerfish (need to learn more about these guys)

What do you guys think? I feel like that's probably too many fish. Between the midas blenny and the royal gramma, who would be more active and interesting to watch?

 

[SecretiveFish]

IMHO, that is way too many fish. I have 6 fish in my 65. That is it, but I have had all but one for 2+ years. Some people manage to stock quite heavily but I question how long the fish live etc.

My suggested stocking list based on what you like:
Randall's Goby w/red banded pistol shrimp
Cardinal
Clown Pair (either snowflake or picasso)
Royal Gramma
Midas Blenny
1 Flasher/Fair wrass (Carpenter's or Red Velvet, the Orange-back gets too big for your tank and has a minimum suggested tank size of 75 gallons)


I would not add either of these:
Green Mandarin (after I'm confident in my refugium) - Unless you are culturing copepods or you have a huge refugium, your tank will not produce enough food to feed one. I should know as I have had one in my 65 for ~4 months (3+ year old tank + large sump refugium + no competition of other fish consuming copepods) and he is thin. As soon as I manage to catch him, he is moving to my larger tank.
Schooling Bannerfish (need to learn more about these guys) - Not reef safe.

Best of luck to you.

 

[a bag of it]

I'm curious as to your comments on the orange back wrasse. Every site other than live aquaria says they'll be fine in a 30g or larger. The max size is only 3.5" making it smaller than a lot of the others.

Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note

 

[godzen]

Please don't add a tang. That's just not enough real estate for one. I know they're beautiful, but please wait until you upgrade to a bigger tank (and you will...lol) and get one then.

Another useless post. I say go for any tangs you want and enjoy them...once they get bigger, trade them in....

 

[nanoreefer1000]

Yeah, catching a active fish in a reef tank with our destroying the scape is easy
(NOT) Try some cardinalfish, underrated for some weird reason.

 

[EllieSuz]

Yes, that's way more fish than I have in my 60 gallon tank. Add them VERY slowly and stop at four or five fish, depending on size.

 

[rssjsb]

Ok, here's an update of my potential stocklist after listening to everyone's advice.

In order:
Randall's Goby w/red banded pistol shrimp
Cardinal
Clown Pair (either snowflake or picasso)
Royal Gramma (maybe, not 100% sure)
Midas Blenny (not 100% sure either)
2-3 Flasher/Fair wrasses (Carpenter's, Red Velvet, Orange-back)

After tank has developed and matured:
Green Mandarin (after I'm confident in my refugium)
Schooling Bannerfish (need to learn more about these guys) I was right with you until here. Even if you could find the type that is supposed to be more reef-friendly, these fish get too big and need too much swimming space for your tank.
What do you guys think? I feel like that's probably too many fish. Between the midas blenny and the royal gramma, who would be more active and interesting to watch? They're different. I think they're both inclined to stay close to the rocks. I've never kept a gramma, but have had a midas - great fish. From what I've seen the grammas tend to stay lower in the tank, so you could theoretically keep both (I'm sure someone will correct me if they're incompatible). I think you would be fully stocked at that point.

 

[sponger0]

Another useless post. I say go for any tangs you want and enjoy them...once they get bigger, trade them in....

Ugh NO!!!




I have a mixed pair of clowns. A true perc and black occellaris. They get a long great.

And I have 5 fish in my 40 breeder. With the right biological filtration you should be able to do 6 maybe 7 fish. My tank has no ammonia nor phosphates

 

[a bag of it]

ok guys, so I strayed a little from my plan. I ended up picking up a royal gramma. Then a week later, a pair of snowflake clowns. I decided against the pistol shrimp and goby because I don't think I have enough sand for them (~1"). Next I plan on adding a cardinal. Then probably two wrasses. I'm definitely going to get a mccosker's flasher, but for the second I'm still undecided. I'm between the orange back fairy, the red headed solon, the lineatus, and the rhomboid. Price is a bit of a deterrent for the lineatus and rhomboid, but from what I understand they will be a bit more peaceful and a better fit size wise than the other two. Any comments?

Also, any thoughts on a white tail bristletooth tang? Live Aquaria says 70g which is only 12g more than mine and has similar dimensions (36" length). I'm between that and a flame angel for the last fish, but I'd prefer the tang because of the risk of the angel being a bully and coral nipper.

 

[jaa1456]

I would have addes the gramma after the wrasses. But since it is in there i would add the wrasses at the same time. As for to many fish. As long as you keep up with your water changes and have plenty of rock work you will be fine. I have a 65 with a pair ofc occ clowns, 7 wrasses 3 lyretail anthias, a cherub angel, diamond goby and a copper banded butterfly. All in the system for over 2 years except for the recently add japanese wrasse pair. All my parameters are good, 10 gallon water changes once a week and all the fish are fat and healthy. No fighting or anything. By they way been to doing it like this for almost 20 years. Had tanks running for 12 straight years loaded like this and didnt lose one fish in those 12 years.

 

[a bag of it]

What makes you say that about the royal gramma? I was told they were peaceful to other fish besides other basslets and similar color fish like the bicolor dottyback. Which 7 wrasse do you have?

 

[jaa1456]

They can get aggresive towards any smaller fish, Not all of them are but they can be. As for the wrasses, I have a pair of hooded fairy, a pair of japanese lunate, a mystery, a yellow coris and a leapord. The mystery and leapord are still on the small side.

 

[sslak]

I have a 58g with almost the same fish as your list, clowns, bengaii, and a gramma. They're a great combo and everyone gets along.

I did have a mandarin that lived 2 years, but I don't think I'll try another...it's just too much work to keep it fed.