6 clowns dead...

[ILoveSeahorses]

Isn't the rule of thumb 1" of fish per 2 gallons of water?

Yep... just poor husbandry. I think the entire point of this thread was trying to see what all the different possibilities of why they could have died were....

Useless is correcto mundo.

 

[beachgyrl0]

yes my tank was fully cycled. all the levels spiked and dropped and i had my blooms. i also used tons of bacteria and didnt add the fish right away. it is just a stock 28 gallon jbj nano cube with led lights, a chiller and a skimmer no other special equipment. this tank may have been new but i am not new to this hobby and i do have a pretty good idea what i am doing. i have had many tanks and this has never happened..if i didnt i wouldnt continue buying larger tanks. some of you may disagree and thats fine.

there were only 6 baby clowns, 2 diamond gobies and my inverts. 1 diamond goby is still alive and all of my inverts my 2 anemones are too. they are condy anemones btw and they are just fine, healthy and very much alive.

and for all of our information i test my water twice a day and all my levels are just fine and stable.

and for the oxygen deprivation..their mouths were closed and their gils were not flared.

so much for my circus tank =(

 

[davelin315]

There's still an issue of what killed them out there. 6 babies is different than 6 adult clowns, how big were they? For raising baby clowns I have seen 10 gallon tanks with tons of them, but these also get large scale water changes pretty often. I have a friend who recently lost about half his brood (there were upwards of 120 clowns in there if I remember correctly) because he didn't aerate the water change water. Even with small bodies, their metabolism is pretty high and there's definitely a chance of oxygen deprivation whether their bodies showed this after death. The water also could easily have been fouled if you test that often - is there a chance that you mixed some chemicals into the water? Baby clowns, depending on how old they actually are (are we talking weeks, months, are they actually juveniles) can be very sensitive.

Also, as far as overcrowding, the information in the original post and provided subsequently definitely pointed to that as being the cause.

 

[Sohal Tang Tim]

I have heard seahares can emmit toxins also.....and I saw a tank full of fish....lets say about 100 fish in a 70 gallon tank.....within 4 or 5 minutes all 100 fish were upside down
when a box fish/cowfish cannot remember which was put in and let go some toxin in the tank! It was scary quick and they all died right in front of our eyes! The seahare may
have caused the problem..... Not sure at all though.....sorry to hear of your trouble.

Tim

 

[wooden_reefer]

A friend of mine lost all her fish in 18 hours. She fed them before she went to bed and when she woke up a couple were dead then all died by next night. She lost 6 clowns and a diamond goby. I cant even come close to figuring it out. Any input would be much appreciated! All inverts are still alive (snails and sea hare).

Nitrite-0
Ammonia-0
Nitrate-10
Salinity-1.024
PH-8.2
Temp-78

For how long had the clowns been in the tank?

Have they ever been well for a duration before?

If not, the problem could well be pre-existing and they just lived long enough to be sold. The way a fish is capture and treated in transit and holding are important to chance of long survival.

Any acutely developing disease can also be the cause. Some bacterial infection can advance quickly, especially in the confinement of a tank without the dilution effect of the ocean.

 

[insp3621]

I have a 60 gallon tank recently that crashed and I couldn't figure out why. After inspecting all of my equipment for hours and checking the water for every test known to reefkeepers (Except for Copper), I found that the wiring at the top of the heater had a crack in the insulation on the wiring. I instantly went to the LFS and bought a copper test kit. The copper was almost undetectable but it still caused the loss of all my fish even with carbon running in the tank along with a GFO loaded with cupri ----- (that copper removing media) and a 20% water change. Amazingly the hermits and cucumbers lived without any ill effects. The heater was a titanium Aqua-Medic. I lost a Venustus angel, two helfrichi, two high fin red banded goby and a couple of chromis. What a waste!

 

[Sohal Tang Tim]

how do you know?????

how do you know?????

I am not saying you are wrong...but......

howwwwwwwwww do you know for sure that was the cause of the loss
of the fish?

Inverts are more delicate and would have died first????

If you are wrong then the real reason is still unknown...????????


Tim

 

[Demonic]

I have heard seahares can emmit toxins also.....and I saw a tank full of fish....lets say about 100 fish in a 70 gallon tank.....within 4 or 5 minutes all 100 fish were upside down
when a box fish/cowfish cannot remember which was put in and let go some toxin in the tank! It was scary quick and they all died right in front of our eyes! The seahare may
have caused the problem..... Not sure at all though.....sorry to hear of your trouble.

Tim

I am going to say that there was a bigger problem than the cowfish with that tank. 100 fish in a 70 gallon, really? The cowfish did a favor for that tank. Cowfish are the most mislead fish. I love them and have never had any issues. Even when I had them pass due to problems I caused it never hurt any other fish.

 

[Sohal Tang Tim]

you misunderstand

you misunderstand

You misunderstand...the guy brought the cowfish back to the STORE to
trade it back in.... The store put it in a tank full of a whole school of
whatever.....and within 60 seconds they all started to die one after another.

This was a LFS stock tank not a reef!

It was definitely the cowfish/boxfish that killed them no doubt about it...I just cannot remember which one of the two....

Tim

 

[davocean]

Keep in mind that clowns will often fight and possibly kill each other when there is more than one pair.
Also, condy's are not the best choice for a host nem, their sting is much stronger than other nems.
Also, what LED lights are you using?

 

[beachgyrl0]

For how long had the clowns been in the tank?

Have they ever been well for a duration before?

If not, the problem could well be pre-existing and they just lived long enough to be sold. The way a fish is capture and treated in transit and holding are important to chance of long survival.

Any acutely developing disease can also be the cause. Some bacterial infection can advance quickly, especially in the confinement of a tank without the dilution effect of the ocean.

the clowns were only in the tank for 2 or 3 days and then they all died..I didnt have them long, I let the tank cycle for about a whole month before they were added..as u read above tank is only a little over a month old.

 

[beachgyrl0]

Keep in mind that clowns will often fight and possibly kill each other when there is more than one pair.
Also, condy's are not the best choice for a host nem, their sting is much stronger than other nems.
Also, what LED lights are you using?

I seen no fighting with the clowns..and i also didnt see anything wrong with any of them.

I will be honest and tell you I know my corals, but I dont know my anemones..my lfs knew i needed them for clowns and never told me it was a bad idea so i went ahead with it.

LED lights are the stock ones that are on the new LED nano cube.

 

[davocean]

Yeah, that's a fairly heavy bioload for even an established tank of that size.
As for condy's, some have had luck w/ them as hosts, but it seems to take a bit for clowns to adapt to them compared to other host nems.
LEDs vary in PAR value, so something like powerbrights will not sustain a nem or corals, not sure what your stock LEDs are.

 

[Ohiomom]

One question, why did you "need" an anemone?

 

[tahoe61]

If all the information had been provided at the beginning you would have recieved a more appropriate response, and not a circus as you call it. You mentioned that you " have a pretty good idea of what your doing".
Baby clowns require frequent feedings throughout the day. That will foul any aquarium quickly. The sudden loss of so many fish is tragic regardless of their maturity. Glad you came forward to provide more information. Condy anemones in the same sm. tank as two diamond gobies and six baby clowns, that was a setup bound to fail from the start.

 

[beachgyrl0]

Dont worry everyone I drained the tank. Dont need to worry about it anymore.

 

[beachgyrl0]

One question, why did you "need" an anemone?

I did not need. I wanted.

 

[tahoe61]

Clowns

Clowns

No one adviced you to empty the system. I have the same tank, but with 150 watt MH lighting instead. Just try a different approach, granted the systems needs to be at least 6 months old, and ideally one year to keep anemones that thrive. I have been in this hobby for over 25 years and I learn something new each and every day and welcome the knowledge. I love tanks that are zoa's and mushrooms only and they would look really cool under LEDS. And they require the least amount of care and tolerate less than optimal water conditions. I keep three Nano's all different one SPS and clams, one soft corals and anemones, and the other I call the green tank because everything I add to the tank is green in color. Each tank have one pair of clowns. From this experience please take the concept that research is a most and that a basic tank can be fun and challanging at the same time. Good Luck.:fish1:

 

[beachgyrl0]

No one adviced you to empty the system. I have the same tank, but with 150 watt MH lighting instead. Just try a different approach, granted the systems needs to be at least 6 months old, and ideally one year to keep anemones that thrive. I have been in this hobby for over 25 years and I learn something new each and every day and welcome the knowledge. I love tanks that are zoa's and mushrooms only and they would look really cool under LEDS. And they require the least amount of care and tolerate less than optimal water conditions. I keep three Nano's all different one SPS and clams, one soft corals and anemones, and the other I call the green tank because everything I add to the tank is green in color. Each tank have one pair of clowns. From this experience please take the concept that research is a most and that a basic tank can be fun and challanging at the same time. Good Luck.:fish1:

I do appreciate advice and knowledge..and i learn a lot every day as well.
I know no one advised me to empty it. But I was frustrated, it was new and I debated about putting it up from day one..i also had the mh but gave it to my friend because at one point i had 3 28 cubes..But i have a beautiful thriving 320 gallon that i am going to keep my focus on. :bounce3:

 

[Remicade]

sorry to hear you had to drain the tank. i was hoping to respond before you took it down.
if you tested every days and all the parameters were as stated then i doubt ammonia or nitrates killed them.
could be the food.
check the power cords in the tank if you had powerheads and your pump. a stray current could have killed them. inverts are really tough and live thru alot of tank crashes,
i would get a voltmeter and put it in the water with the pumps and everything running to see if there was a stray current. could be tainted food to, even though it was frozen when you got it might not be before you got it.


with the 6 small clowns would be really cool to see in that tank. i know my tiny 2 snocasso's are something to watch, but 6 clowns would be funny. what type of clowns were they?
i could care less how people stock their systems. i know my nano is over stocked but i dont care. i hope you chane your mind and put up the tank again and have fun with it. if you get more clowns then get a gree or rose bubble tip. they will host most clowns. i got a rbta for my snows.