invincible569
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I think AGE is the only company who can say they have never had a tank leak on them.
600gal (96x48x30)
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I think AGE is the only company who can say they have never had a tank leak on them.
Treg
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Dont get me wrong Ed, That wasnt to knock on AGE.
I was just pointing out that AO isnt doing anything all that different from other "Well Respected" tank builders...
Who has had tanks leak or has not is pretty irrrelavant here, We all know there is a whole lot more AO tanks on RC then AGE tanks.
Not to mention, there is no real good indication so far that it was an actual problem from the tank manufacture.
AO is probably the only one here that can answer that question.
This fear is one we all share. Its a risk we all take with keeping a glass box full of water in our homes.
The bigger the box, the bigger the risk.
Hopefully Shawn can get his tank fixed and back on track in a mannor that satifies both parties.
I've delt with AO on more then one occasion and know for fact that Will is a stand up guy.
And I'm pretty sure I am not the only one that can say that.
I was just pointing out that AO isnt doing anything all that different from other "Well Respected" tank builders...
Who has had tanks leak or has not is pretty irrrelavant here, We all know there is a whole lot more AO tanks on RC then AGE tanks.
Not to mention, there is no real good indication so far that it was an actual problem from the tank manufacture.
AO is probably the only one here that can answer that question.
This fear is one we all share. Its a risk we all take with keeping a glass box full of water in our homes.
The bigger the box, the bigger the risk.
Hopefully Shawn can get his tank fixed and back on track in a mannor that satifies both parties.
I've delt with AO on more then one occasion and know for fact that Will is a stand up guy.
And I'm pretty sure I am not the only one that can say that.
CaveManNOhio
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I've read where some are saying silicone failure, and AO should be responsible for it even under those circumstances. I would have to say I don't agree with that. That would fallback on the manufacture of the silicone. IMO
But I also think that before any us really knows what happened or why it happened, it was wrong for most of you to automatically jump on the band wagon of it being AO's fault and pretty much forcing them into a situation that is really no concern of any one other than the parties involved.(slam me if you want)
I also agree with szwab, I would consider making some changes to that stand. I think I would use nothing less that 4x4 in the corners and middle support areas and under the horizontal supports.
Also curious when you leveled it, what length level did you use.
Again I'm sorry it as turned out the way it as for you and I hope it all works out in the long run.
But I also think that before any us really knows what happened or why it happened, it was wrong for most of you to automatically jump on the band wagon of it being AO's fault and pretty much forcing them into a situation that is really no concern of any one other than the parties involved.(slam me if you want)
I also agree with szwab, I would consider making some changes to that stand. I think I would use nothing less that 4x4 in the corners and middle support areas and under the horizontal supports.
Also curious when you leveled it, what length level did you use.
Again I'm sorry it as turned out the way it as for you and I hope it all works out in the long run.
Used to follow this thread and as I'm back to reading RC regularly I'm catching up on all my old and favourite threads. So just started on this thread from the crrent split when I saw this post by Jonathan.
Anyhow, I've had around 10 months I think and it doesn't work. I know I've been really neglectful of my husbandry practices this year but my nitrates are off the chart. I expected the Denitrator to somehow offset my abuse but not so it seems. So big thumbs down for this product.
I'm already thinking about JapanReef 2.0 as this was my first attempt at a big system and all the issues I've experienced really started taking the joy out of it. A reefers biggest enemies (IME) are space (or lack of it) and convenience (or inconvenience of equipment access). If I had teh space I'd design a push button water change system (one of my pet hates) and a Remote DSB. I think a Remote DSB is the only answer to nitrate issues - but only if you have the space to set one up.
Anyhow going to catch up on the rest of this thread now.
szwab
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nexdog:
so as not to rub salt into a wound,you might want to skip to this part:
Well I got up today to get ready for work and my wife said there was a rotten fishy smell in the basement a few minutes before when she went down to check on some clothes... I got up and went to check and sure enough water was on the floor and the frag tank water it almost white... and maybe close to 10" if water was missing from the display... I was keep thinking about any power issues or anything since Sat because I was down there and everything was fine... so it happened from Sat night on to this morning... After calling into work and telling them I was not able to make it in today I went back down and it looks like the seam gave way, from the way looks of it right now it seems to have been kinda a fast drain, not a burst or anything... But right now I am pretty much ******... I think my fish days are vastly coming to an end... I can't deal with this crap... If it was not for bad luck, I would not have any luck at all...
Pics to follow...
so as not to rub salt into a wound,you might want to skip to this part:
Well I got up today to get ready for work and my wife said there was a rotten fishy smell in the basement a few minutes before when she went down to check on some clothes... I got up and went to check and sure enough water was on the floor and the frag tank water it almost white... and maybe close to 10" if water was missing from the display... I was keep thinking about any power issues or anything since Sat because I was down there and everything was fine... so it happened from Sat night on to this morning... After calling into work and telling them I was not able to make it in today I went back down and it looks like the seam gave way, from the way looks of it right now it seems to have been kinda a fast drain, not a burst or anything... But right now I am pretty much ******... I think my fish days are vastly coming to an end... I can't deal with this crap... If it was not for bad luck, I would not have any luck at all...
Pics to follow...
Damn, that hurts. Sorry to hear about that.
I can't remember the rest of the thread but I can't recall too many major issues. Lets face it, we are keeping animals in an artificial environment. Fish die, corals die, equipment dies. You seem to have gotten really depressed over the loss of the fish and this is understandable on some scale but to the point of throwing in the towel?
Reefkeeping, and especially Large Tanks requires a huge amount of things many have in short supply. I'm talking time, money, and stamina (in terms of motivation). All of these I have in short supply for sure. I'm good at building things but my problem in anything has always been in sustaining it. In the last 18 months I probably spent $2k on coral and it's pretty much all dead now. Last year I couldn't fix my temp issues without opening the access doors and keeping the air con on in my office 24/7. This resulted in lots of mildew in my office and wallpaper peeling etc. And I designed the system to be enclosed! Never been able to fix the microbubbles. RODI system never pumped out 50GPD and when the weather started cooling down last winter it trickled out at maybe 10GPD. So barely enough to top-off and not enough for water changes. Then my lights started breaking, more expense, nitrates rising, bought a denitrator, didn't work, more expense. The Vortechs simply fell apart. Are we seeing a trend here?
So issues combined with expense started to make me resent the tank. The last thing I did was around last November which was installing an industrial extractor fan and ducting to canopy and made a duct box over the ballasts. Of course this cost more money. So I didn't order a new RODI unit or cartridges. I just didn't do any water changes. And in the end it didn't put out enough to cover top-off so I used tap water. I cleaned the tank every two months, fed the fish, did the bare minimum and now with PO4 and NO3 off the chart only a hammer and mushrooms are surviving.
Point I'm making is that there will always be issues and you haven't really started on the main display yet. I'm now getting back it into it as I feel I spent all this money so a couple of grand here and there is really necessary in order to maintain this thing I have created. Now if my tank was to crack or seal to break I have to ask myself what would I do. After all the issues and if the tank manufacturer didn't want to look after me I think it would be the end because even a free tank means something ridiculous in shipping to Japan. In my case I think I'd take a hiatus from the hobby until I could start again but then again maybe not?
I guess you have some big decisions to make and it comes down to how much you want that tank.
I can't remember the rest of the thread but I can't recall too many major issues. Lets face it, we are keeping animals in an artificial environment. Fish die, corals die, equipment dies. You seem to have gotten really depressed over the loss of the fish and this is understandable on some scale but to the point of throwing in the towel?
Reefkeeping, and especially Large Tanks requires a huge amount of things many have in short supply. I'm talking time, money, and stamina (in terms of motivation). All of these I have in short supply for sure. I'm good at building things but my problem in anything has always been in sustaining it. In the last 18 months I probably spent $2k on coral and it's pretty much all dead now. Last year I couldn't fix my temp issues without opening the access doors and keeping the air con on in my office 24/7. This resulted in lots of mildew in my office and wallpaper peeling etc. And I designed the system to be enclosed! Never been able to fix the microbubbles. RODI system never pumped out 50GPD and when the weather started cooling down last winter it trickled out at maybe 10GPD. So barely enough to top-off and not enough for water changes. Then my lights started breaking, more expense, nitrates rising, bought a denitrator, didn't work, more expense. The Vortechs simply fell apart. Are we seeing a trend here?
So issues combined with expense started to make me resent the tank. The last thing I did was around last November which was installing an industrial extractor fan and ducting to canopy and made a duct box over the ballasts. Of course this cost more money. So I didn't order a new RODI unit or cartridges. I just didn't do any water changes. And in the end it didn't put out enough to cover top-off so I used tap water. I cleaned the tank every two months, fed the fish, did the bare minimum and now with PO4 and NO3 off the chart only a hammer and mushrooms are surviving.
Point I'm making is that there will always be issues and you haven't really started on the main display yet. I'm now getting back it into it as I feel I spent all this money so a couple of grand here and there is really necessary in order to maintain this thing I have created. Now if my tank was to crack or seal to break I have to ask myself what would I do. After all the issues and if the tank manufacturer didn't want to look after me I think it would be the end because even a free tank means something ridiculous in shipping to Japan. In my case I think I'd take a hiatus from the hobby until I could start again but then again maybe not?
I guess you have some big decisions to make and it comes down to how much you want that tank.
asnatlas
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I agree 100% but just in the past 9 months there are two threads about an AO tank coming apart at the seams... I am not saying its not possible, but right now until more is found out about what happened the linking factor is AO... It could be they are selling more tanks then anyone else so the % could be higher, or many other things... I have contacted AO to see what can be done... I will update as I get info...
asnatlas
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Spazz, I agree, when I first saw the tank I kinda questioned the eurobracing for a few days and then shrugged it off because I only heard good things about AO tanks... I do know what your talking about, I have also seen builders do the eurobracing like AO does, but they would stick a wedge on the bottom side to double up on the seam of the eurobracing to have better bonding serface in that area... I think I have even see acrylic done in the same mannor...
Again I don't know but when I sit back (even before this post) I was thinking that it was just the shear weight of the water/pressure and over time the silicone just gave way starting at the eurobracing and working its way down that back/right corner since the eurobracing only at the 5"x.5" seam holding it together... The other thing that prob did not help was I paid for the Starphire eurobracing which at the time only came in .5" thickness, If I would have went with the standard glass it may have been 3/4" so a little more bonding surface...
What ever the outcome is if I do end up getting it fixed on my dime or with AOs help I will be adding extra glass in the corners of the eurobracing to double up on the silicone to surface area to help make sure this does not happen again...
asnatlas
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10464742#post10464742 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CAreefer
It isn't just AO either, all manufacturers have their problems. They put out lots of tanks. They can't all be perfect. IMO it's how they take care of the ones that aren't that counts the most. We will see how LeeMar takes care of theirs. I know how they've taken care of it for the last 2 years!
CAReefer
CAreefer, I am sorry to hear about your tank
I agree all tanks manufacturers deal with this, its just part of the job, but I hate to see it happen, as for me I have not exp it first hand and really in my case it could have been worse and in some cases I have seen, its nothing compared to others...
asnatlas
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10466370#post10466370 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by szwab
Shawn one thing you may want to look into before resetting your tank are the vertical supports of you stand. IMHO the vert. supports should always be under supporting the horizontals. When the stand settles. which they all do to some extent, the trick is for it to do this in an evenly. With the vert extending up past the horizontals they are essentially separate surfaces that may not move in unison with the rest of the stand top. This could create pressure points even with foam under the tank since your dealing with 5,000+ pounds. Not saying this was the cause but definately something worth checking in your process of trying to figure out why the tank failed.
szwab, I know what your saying but I have both, I have the verticals right along side 2x6s sitting on 2x4s... and in the corners I have a 3rd layer if you will while also doubling up in the corners on the other first to layers... I am not an expert stand builder but the stand seems overbuilt as it is, granted its not like others here on RC...
asnatlas
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I don't see why 4x4 area needed, I believe a 2x4 can hold around 5k+ lbs on end or something like that... I believe that my stand is over build (not much) the way it is and that if I did 4x4s it would be more over build then others on RC with larger tanks... I am not saying my stand is perfect nor that its not cause for the problem, but I do have a few 2x6s along with with the 2x4s...
I believe it was a 5ft level that I used all over the top of the stand...
asnatlas
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Long time no see NexDog, I am sorry to hear about your problems as well
I was not expecting this to be "easy" but its seems to be giving me alot more problems when your avg reefer... And it seems every time I turn around it something new and worse then the time before... I have not thrown in the towel yet, but right now its in my head to just cut my loses... I guess I will see how it works out and go from there... I loved the tank and don't want to see it go, but if it will let me keep the little bit of hair I do have left and not seem like I am just pouring money down the drain or onto my carpet to be later sucked up and tossed then I may have to go that route...
