A First Plywood Project...

Hello everyone,

mpomfret : Thanks for checking it out! This is something I've wanted to do for a long time. If this one works out it definitely won't be my last. But from here I can promise to only go BIGGER!

mille239 : AWESOME!! Feels nice to not pay the LFS $25-50 to drill a hole huh?!? I was so close to buying a glass drilling machine and bits for my shop but now I'm not so sure! Which bit did you use? The TC1? I know you can use it in a Dremel because I read somewhere that someone did. Maybe it was earlier in this thread? Anyways... congrats! Glad it worked out!

UPDATE: Sorry no pics :( been really busy with the tank and work! Yesterday I mounted the guide rails for the canopy to ride up and down in. Then I floated the canopy and brought the actuator up through the ceiling. This is my first MAJOR problem with the design. The guides bind just enough to throw the balance off and the canopy won't ride up and down straight. So I cut them off and left the canopy just floating from the actuator out of the ceiling. I left the lower portion of the guides in place to serve as a resting rack for the canopy when it is lowered all the way. So if you think of a benchpress bench with hooks for the bar, that is similar to what I have now. The canopy sits in very snugly when in its lowered state. Flip the switch and it raises and moves a little but is fairly well balanced and doesn't look that bad. It is a little less fluid and smooth as I would have liked but it is perfectly functional. After all the goal was to have the canopy effortlessly (on my part of course) lift out of the way along with the canopy door so that I could have ample room to work in the tank. I will have about 16-17" x 96" to access the tank from the front as the tank will be surrounded by walls on each side but the front.

So after messing with the canopy situation yesterday and this morning I am pleased with how it is working. It will require more tweaking once the tank and trim are in place but overall it will function. I will give a little more thought and a lot more space next time to make this robotic canopy work like it did in my brain. R&D... I guess that's what its all about!

This morning I took a ride to the glass shop and picked up my killer piece of glass. By killer I mean KILLER! Don't drop this one on or near anyone you love... it is DAMN heavy! I have no idea how some of these people on RC handle these huge glass tanks! We put the tank on the stand this morning as well. So of course I have the tank and this piece of glass staring me in the face all day. Tonight I decided to go ahead and glue it in. So we laid the tank face down and inserted the glass rested up on supports about 20 inches high inside. So I made these supports out of 2x4's and just set them on the stand stood up vertically inside the tank to hold the glass up so I could spread the silicone.

I squeezed out this HUGE bead of silicone around the perimeter of the hole, using about 5 caulking tubes full of silicone. Once that bead was complete two of us got under the stand and supported the glass as the 2x4 stands were removed and then lowered the glass in place causing the silicone to gush out everywhere. There were very few air bubbles and a good solid contact area all the way around the tank. I then followed a friends advice and used the other 5 tubes of silicone to go around the glass so that I could make a fillet between the top bottom and sides to the glass, just like you would in an all glass aquarium. I used an empty caulking tube turned backwards as a filleting applicator. So the end that you DON'T squeeze silicone out of is the end I used for the fillet. It worked GREAT! The bead came out very nice and clean. Not quite Oceanic quality but very neat. There is much excess that need to be razored off once cured but that is to be expected. I was really happy with how the glass went in! Now I just have to be patient enough to let it sit for a few days so it can all cure right. There are some areas where the slicone is 3/4" think so it will take a while to cure out properly. That will give me some time to mount the angle for the front support as well as glue in all my CL and Sump feed drain fittings to their prospective bulkheads.

I'll try to get some pics tomorrow (Thursday) and post them for all to see. Sorry I couldn't get a step-by-step but we had all hands working and covered in that fun silicone goo!

I'm off to bed... LATER!
 
Yes Sean, I used the TC1 bit in a dremel with a flex-shaft handle.. worked like a charm, just like you said.
 
Hey guys...

Carl : YUP! !0 tubes of GE Silicone 1 Window and Door silicone. It was smelly... actually it still is! There was a point that I was spreading the fillet bead that my eyes got so watery I had to run outside real quick! HAHA We love our DIY!

mille239 : Cool! I've had a lot of PM questions about the DIY tank cutting. Thanks!

Maybe some pics later on...
 
WOW SEAN LETS SEE SOME PICS MAN! Awesome job, I am following your plan in buildong my 200g plywood and will post pics soon. On your digram above you show small hole on the bottom(floor) of the tank??? What are they for??

Leon

Keep up the good work
 
Has anyone tryed cutting thick glass 5/8" with that roto tool?

Great Diy Sean can't wait to see some pics of that tank full of life
 
Not that anyone else hasn't said this but I am using you as a blueprint for my Plywood project. Please tell me you took some pics of putting the glass in.
 
Hi Sean Here are a few pics of my progress so far.

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I have order my SweetWater Paint and a new Dart Pump for the closed loop.

More to come,

Leon
 
Hello everyone,

Sorry that I wasn't able to post pics today. I got wrapped up in some viewing room renovation. The building that I lease was put together by the dumbest, most inexperienced people possible! I am hanging new lighting in the entry area/viewing room of my shop and the lights that were up there were a MESS! Thankfully I was able to remove some flooring upstairs so that I could put some blocking in between the joists to mount the ceiling boxes on for the light fixtures to mount. I am replacing 3 4' long 2 bulb fluorescent fixtures with some of those cool bendable 12' track lighting. It was a SERIOUS pain in the butt to put up the first one so I'm just going to have to wait and do them one at a time. You know how it is when you get frustrated and start breaking stuff because you're ****ed?? I sure do! Glad I'm good at fixing stuff :mad:

The tank is still laying face down as the silicone cures. It is hardening well but at the innermost layer it is still liquid. Maybe a couple more days because that glass was HEAVY and I don't want it slipping down and tearing away! I went to Lowe's and Home Depot today to buy some supplies for plumbing the bulkhead for the back of the tank.

Now for some replies...

Leon : First off congrats on the new build!! Fun isn't it?? The tank is the easiest part ;) At least it was on this project! Are you using the epoxy resin or polyester resin? With the Sweetwater on top? Consider those fillets, a friend of mine uses body filler to make the fillets then fiberglass over it.

As for the holes in my rendering... there are 6 holes in the bottom, 4 holes in the back and 2 holes in the bottom of the overflow. The 6 in the bottom of the tank are 1" bulkheads and 2 of the 4 in the back are 1" bulkheads as well. These 8 1" bulkheads are for the Oceans Motions 8way that will mount to the Reeflo Hammerhead which will be fed by the other 2 holes in the back which are 2" bulkheads. Of course the 2 2" bulkheads in the overflow box go to the sump and water will be returned by a Reeflo Dart through an OM 4way over the sides of the tank. Plenty O Water! Good luck with your new baby!

Paverdude : Check out some of the other Rotozip threads here on RC DIY if you can. I think someone cut a long slot for an external overflow box in a 5/8" tank or maybe it was 1/2" I can tell you that it will be much slower on thicker glass. I noticed this between drilling my "test tank" which had 1/4" vs. my sump for this build which is 3/8" Check it out! Thanks for the compliments... you have no idea how BAD I want to see it full of life. Right now the only life its full of is MINE! Take care...

Covey : My sincere apologies... We had every hand available on that piece of glass. I waited a month for this $500.00 piece of glass so I didn't want to risk popping it. My major concern was getting the glass into the tank without incident. So sorry about this but there are no pics of the glass going in. :( Check the link to Acro's tank on page 1 of this thread. He had a few pics of the glass going in on his tank. Please post pics when you begin yours.

blfuller123 : Good luck with your project too! Thanks for posting and be sure to MAKE YOURS BIGGER!! I wish I had!

Ok guys... keep the replies coming! I will really try to get some pics tomorrow.

LATER!
 
Thanks Sean,
I am using the polyester resin and man does it smell.. I am wearing a filtered mask when I sand and apply coats. It does not show in those pics but I did fill the major unlevel or nicks with the body filler and then I used the Fiberglass Mesh which is some really tough stuff to work with, but very strong. And yes Im having a blast doing this. I just started the hole in the wall while I wait for the paint epoxy and my glass is going to take 7 to 10 days.

I too wish I went bigger!!!! But I will settle for this 200 Gal. for now.

Leon
 
Hey Sean,
You said you got the glass in. Did you have to end up cutting the top bracing to get it in or were you able to get the glass angled enough to get it into place?
 
lpkirby : Cool man... sounds like its coming together for you! Can't wait to see more of it! What type pf glass did you buy? Standard 1/2 tempered?

Sindjin : Thanks a lot for the compliments! Glad you're tagging along!

blfuller123 : I have planned all along for the top to have to be notched for the glass insertion. It didn't work any other way in my drawing or after I completed the tank. See I took a piece of plywood and made it the same size as the glass I needed to order. I then tried everyway possible to get that into the tank without notching and there was NO way! So the other night I used a jigsaw to cut a 1 3/4" x 5/8" notch in each side of the top brace. This will be easily fixed with some epoxy and roving cloth. Take it easy...

There is a delay with the filling of the tank but it shouldn't be THAT bad. I was pretty upset to find out that the 1" bulkhead fitting that I ordered from Champion supply are GARBAGE! All the other bulkheads seem to be decent but these 1" ones ALL jump threads! Nothing like coming in to work one day where there is 300 gallons of water on the floor and everything in the tank is DEAD! So I ordered replacements from http://www.savko.com who I HIGHLY recommend for anything they carry especially Spa Flex PVC, which I just recieved on Friday.

Not too big of a deal because I may have tried to fill it prematurely and some of the silicone is still uncured :mad:

Oh well... I'll try to get some pics up tonight of the silicone bead and the notches.

LATER!
 
Many many pics!

Many many pics!

Hello everyone,

I know you all think I'm full of empty promises because I haven't posted more photos as I said I would. I have a good excuse though... I've just been busy with it!

My friend and I pulled all the wiring through the conduit in the sump room and behind the main tank. I just have to go pick up a bunch of GFI and standard outlets and faceplates then I have JUICE!

While he was there another friend came by so we decided to flip the tank right side up so I could resume the work. Here are some pics...

Let's start with the notches that I had to cut to get the glass in...
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Here it is after I taped it up from underneath and from the side with A/C ductboard tape and poured clear epoxy into it like a mould. Then I cut a 2"x5" piece of fiberglass cloth and poured more epoxy and wet it out with a putty knife.
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And another shot...
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While the tank was face down I plumbed the rear drains, both closed loop and overflow...
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All that talk about the center support system... I hope it's strong enough to hold up. The piece of metal that I bought is a little flexible but I think it will do the trick. I laid it all out with some measurements then pre-drilled the holes for the stainless lags. Then I brushed some epoxy on the bottom of the metal angle and dripped some in my pre-drilled holes in the tank top. I tightened the lags down really good and then brushed a coat of epoxy over the whole thing. here is the front one...
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And the back...
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Continued in the next post... too many pics...
 
...the rest...

...the rest...

I wanted to get a pic of exactly how clear that piece of 1/2" Starphire glass really is. I took a big piece of melamine (that white coated particle board used for shelves and cabinets) and stuck it in the tank and got a pic of it inside and outside the glass. So in this pic... the white area above the blue beam is outside the tank, the lover white is in the tank and taken through the glass. I can BARELY tell the difference! What do you think?
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Some pics of the tank with the canopy down...
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Pics of me inside the belly of the beast. HAHA Not really a beast... kind of a kitten... it's just too small :(
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Here is a pic of that huge Euro-Reef in operation! I really love this thing...
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So now that all that is done I'm waiting on those new bulkheads to do a test fill. Hopefully all works well with that. Once I'm confident that the tank won't leak I will start to build the walls next to the tank and skin out the front. Am I in the home stretch?!? Not likely!

Ok well I'll post more as I have it. For those of you who are building tanks right now... GOOD LUCK! Post Pics!!!

LATER!
 
Looks Awesome, can you show a picture of the top showing both brackets for the threaded bar?

Man you are going to love this, dont worry about the size, enjoy for a year and then build another one!

Again Great Job,

Leon
 
Hey guys...

Thanks a lot for the kind words!

Hey Leon... I went and dug through your photobucket... you are making some progress with that wall and stuff. Got the hole cut, sink in and patched up! You're motivated! It's looking great! Also... on your tank... are you concerned with the face piece? I was looking at it again and one layer of ply seems a little thin. Are you going to laminate the front with another material? Just curious... I'm sure you have a plan!

Take care...
 
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